Schuster: Hillary sends out new fake mailer that looks like Edwards campaign material

[MalloyLiberal]

Schuster on MSNBC says Hillary is putting out deceptive campaign material making it look like it is coming from Edwards, and attacking Obama.

[Herman Munster]

1. Is it Hillary or the 527's supporting her?

You have to be very specific. If it's the 527's, legally she has no control over what they do.

[babylonsister]

3. Here: it's AFSCME's mailer, which I was told was a legit way to

campaign not even a week ago. Seems like we're not the only ones who think they're playing dirty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3889694&mesg_id=3889694

[JackORoses]

11. keep telling yourself that

'legally' she has no control

yet the ads have been coordinated not to overlap with her other 'legal' ads

surely there's no connection...surely

[Mojambo]

2. Well, that's a clever way to go negative without paying the price.

Pretty sleazy, if true.

[babylonsister]

4. It's true; a DUer got one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3889694&mesg_id=3889740

[William769]

6. But was it from the Clinton campaign?

[ElizabethDC]

7. No, evidently it's AFSCME's mailer. n/t

[William769]

8. So then this is a dead thead. NT

[Cha]

19. But, if it's so

"clever".. then why is Shuster reporting on it? :( Which, btw, I'm truly amazed that he is!

[derby378]

5. I want to see some hard evidence of this before making any comment

Links, anybody...?

[sniffa]

9. i don't believe it

she wouldn't pull tricks like that.


















































































:rofl:

[Herman Munster]

10. the title of your thread is inflammatory and inaccurate

the flier is from AFSCME, not Hillary. Per federal law, Hillary cannot coordinate with 527's so the title of your thread is factually inaccurate.

[SoxFan]

50. Funny thing, though

When AFSCME made its radio buy at a NH radio station, a new set of Hillary ads arrived at the very same time.

From the same media buyer.

Scheduled so as to avoid overlap.

Noooo, there's no illegal coordination going on. Keep moveing, nothing to see here.

[elizm]

12. Slime. She will lose. nt

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[elizm]

17. A bit touchy, aren't you? What's that all about? nt

[elizm]

Even Edwards criticized her for her slimy tactic...

Merry-Go-Round: Edwards Hits Hillary For Mailer Attacking Obama
By Greg Sargent - December 20, 2007, 11:28AM
Okay, stay with us on this one: John Edwards is going after Hillary over a mailer that is attacking Obama. We'll explain.

This morning MSNBC broke the news that a new mailer had been dropped in Iowa faulting Obama's health care plan as follows: "For those without insurance, Barack Obama's band-aid solution is no change at all."

The mailer also uncritically showcased a quote from Edwards, something that could lead readers to think that it came from Edwards -- but in fact, it was produced by a local union that's backing Hillary.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/edwards_hits_hillary_for_mailer_attacking_obama.php

[journalist3072]

23. Hillary clinton did not send out the mailer...so it sounds like he then attacked the wrong person.

[elizm]

27. Hillary should call off her dogs...Or does she approve of such slime?

The Attack is in the Mail
By Shailagh Murray
DES MOINES -- Open a mailbox in Iowa this week, and those aren't Christmas cards jammed inside.

A flier that reads like an attack on Sen. Barack Obama by former senator John Edwards actually came from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which is supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"Barack Obama's health care plan is not up to the job," reads the headline, next to photos of a woman with an oxygen tube and a man sitting in a waiting room, his head buried in his hands. Obama, the flier charged, "took timid way out, offering yet another band-aid solution. John Edwards has said 'as many as 15 million Americans would be without coverage' (Sioux City Journal, November 30, 2007) under Obama's plan."

The Edwards camp was not pleased.

"Iowa caucus goers have been sent a direct mail advertisement that appears to be an attack on Senator Obama by John Edwards, but is actually produced and funded by an organization supporting Senator Clinton," read a statement from the former North Carolina senator's campaign.

Jennifer O'Malley Dillon, Iowa State Director for the Edwards Campaign, made the following statement: "There have been a lot of misleading tactics and tricks in the last few weeks, but we've just never seen anything like this before...It's fine to have an honest debate about policy, but Iowans deserve better than planted questions and campaign fliers designed to fool them."




http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/12/20/the_attack_is_in_the_mail.html

[flyarm]

30. the union is not going to do it unless the campaign wants it done..

get real..and if a campaign wanted it stopped or pulled the union would stop

how many excuses are people going to make for Hillary??

come on how many damn excuses for her?

this stinks..and this is hateful..for all you hillary people who call everyone else haters..your candidate is the true hateful person..and you follow with your bullshit excuses.

fly

[journalist3072]

37. Do you just make it up as you go along?

[sniffa]

41. i see you're an expert

:patriot:

[Nedsdag]

47. sniffa, there's no talking to journalist3072.

She calls herself a "journalist" yet a true journalist wouldn't put people on ignore. They would confront their critics.

Therefore journalist3072 is a fraud and a phony. Plus, I'm proud to be put on her ignore list so I can show what kind of Clinton supporter she actually is. If I were Hilary, I'd be ashamed to call her a supporter.

[flyarm]

45. seems you do..no i have worked inside campaigns...eom

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. It's a PAC that supports Sen. Clinton. Trust me, her campaign knows and approves

Having worked on several campaigns I can tell you that stuff like that isn't done without running it by the candidate's staff first. My last one the union specifically asked what kind of support we wanted and what form we wanted it to be in.

[MGKrebs]

26. "For those without insurance, Barack Obama's band-aid solution is no change at all."

This is slimy?



I'm having such a hard time adjusting to the 21st century.

[elizm]

28. Slimy is making it look like Edwards is the one doing it. You don't get that???? nt

[MGKrebs]

49. "Making it look like"? I'm just having trouble understanding the Rules of Slime.

No quotes from other candidates?
No quotes from anybody?
Big disclaimer "Despite the fact that John Edwards actually said this, he has not approved this message"?

[SoxFan]

51. It looks like an Edwards attack piece

I received this piece of trash in the mail this morning. It was clrearly designed to look like Edwards was behind it. Bold print quote from him, and no mention of She Who Must be Obeyed.

[elizm]

53. I'm thinking you're not that dense but I could be wrong....

Even Edwards criticized the tactic of using his name to deceive. Maybe Hillary defenders are just that dense.

[MGKrebs]

55. I haven't seen the piece, so my analysis of it is necessarily limited.

But your eagerness to evaluate of my mental state and extrapolate that evaluation to an entire group does not inspire confidence. Your familiarity with the subject of personal attacks, however, is plain to see, even for those of us too dull to keep up with your keen insight.

[Cha]

21. Typical emissisary of hillary's..

calling DUers "names", who don't agree with them.

Your candidate was predictably supporting bushit for 5 years after voting YEA on the IWR vote.

[sniffa]

25. there's a button you can hit for that

[Cha]

29. And stop calling

them on it..just let them run rampant, unchecked? Nah, thanks.

[sniffa]

31. no, i'm encouraging you to alert

i did

[Cha]

38. Wrong button!

:silly: Yeah, I mostly don't alert but it's true..it should be given the " alert" because it's against the rules and it's an ugly way to discourse..it sullies the Board.

[ClassWarrior]

34. With which do you disagree?

That it's slime? Or that she'll lose?

NGU.

[Nedsdag]

46. Boy, someone's in a b*tchy mood tonight.

Hillary didn't call you?

[William769]

14. At least you have your desperation.

Just like your candidates campaign.

[sniffa]

15. pot, meet kettle

[William769]

16. Oh, you just met elizm?

[sniffa]

22. no, just another Lil Dog backer

[99th_Monkey]

18. Is anyone surprised that Hillary's being "backdoored" by Bush/Rove?

geez, it's been in the news for awhile now.

Hillary is Bush/Rove/Cheney's choice, to either be the Dem nominee so they can turn on her like pit bulls on steroids in the General, using all
the dirt they can dig up on her (Vince Foster, etc.) .. or ..
at the worst (for them) to be their "trustworthy" DINO shill in the WH who at least nominally supports continuation their insane ME policies.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/24/bush-dems-strategy/
http://www.examiner.com/a-953145~Bush_quietly_advising_Hillary_Clinton__top_Democrats.html

[TeamJordan23]

20. Same old politics - we need a new direction. nm

[BeyondGeography]

24. That mailer is already more trouble than it's worth

Another misstep for Project Restoration.

[jefferson_dem]

32. Sleazy, slimy tactics by the HillaryInc campaign?!

C'mon!

...

:sarcasm:

If the accusation is "dirty politics by the ClintonInc. campaign," the default position is to believe it until proven otherwise.

[William769]

33. I would say the same about the BIGOTS campaign.

[jefferson_dem]

35. Are you already assuming Kerrey is already on the ticket with Hillary?

Please.

[William769]

40. Glad to see you decided to leave the thread where you all were busted.

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

48. I ask for a link. You provide one to the Hillary propaganda machine.

'nuff said.

[sniffa]

36. Fred Thompson's campaign?

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

39. Hillary never learns, never accepts responsibility

We don't need 8 more years of that.

[Bitwit1234]

42. But but but --- didn't Obama' s just say that sometimes a campaign

makes little mistakes. Guess it don't count when they AINT' Obama's.....

[sniffa]

44. you are brilliant

[itsrobert]

52. Hillary busted again

Next thing you know, Hillary will say she has 35 years of public service. :D

[Perry Logan]

54. Flailing sounds from the anti-Hillary gang.

[rufus dog]

56. Although I expected this slime from Hillary

It still pisses me off. It exhibits one of her many weaknesses, when losing attack. And attack using any dirty trick you can come up with. The Repuke machine has it down to a science and Team Clinton seems to be very good at it also.