Where was Hillary's leadership during the Rwanda genocide?

[TeamJordan23]

And now she has Madeleine Albright - who decided to take no action in Rwanda - advising her on foreign policy.

If Hillary wants to use her 'experience' as her strength to be President, why did she not do anything to prevent one of the worst tragedies in history?

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. Its all Clinton's fault!

[Saturday]

2. Excellent answer. n/t

[Cha]

13. Yeah? Because hillary's

puffs up her foreign policy experience but she shouldn't be criticized for the foreign policy that ol' bill whines around about that he should have done something concerning Rwanda?

hillary is running on bill's legacy..but, of course, her emissaries want to shut their eyes, cover their ears, and speak no truth of hillary.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. do you know anything about Rwanda?

Before you continue to Blame Hillary I suggest you read up on it. My God. People on DU are blaming Hillary Clinton for Rwanda!

I invision a shark feeding frenzy--no reason, no self control. Just all out attack for the sake of it. Just as ugly and just as uniformed.

[sniffa]

26. do you know anything besides ignorant shriekings?

no one blamed her for it, just shamed her for it. being co-president gets that sorta thing.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. Sniffa: I am going to tell your mother on you

[sniffa]

37. feel free

you might not like her response. :hi:

[earthlover]

31. The Clinton administration decided to basically do nothing about the genocide in Ruwanda

That is fact.

Wes Clark, however, was upset about doing nothing in Ruwanda. And he is now supporting Hillary. However, there is nothing in the record to show that Hillary disagreed with Bill's decision to ignore Ruwanda.

If anyone has a link to refute this, be my guest!

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. where were YOU

Were you screaming from the rooftops?

[earthlover]

39. Wow! I was not Bill's wife who is now claiming she has experience from that....

It she claims experience, she claims responsibility. What good is experience without responsibility?

[sniffa]

40. nice movement of the goal posts

it's the only thing Hillary can do at this point. :patriot:

[creeksneakers2]

43. That's because the UN was supposed

to do something about it. The same Republicans who blame Clinton now were very fired up about keeping us out of Rwanda when it was happening. That's because the US can't be responsible for righting every injustice in the world. The UN should take responsibility, with the US playing a leading role.

[Cha]

41. Are you misreading hillary like

you misread what's posted on DU? Or do you know damn well that no one is blaming hillary for Rwanda?

Lashing out, calling hillary's critics a "shark feeding frenzy"..you have no substance to deflect a poster's point so you come up with a distraction to change the subject.

The subject is still hillary's claimng bill's legacy for better or worse..and then she goes and claims bill gave her all the foreign policy experience she needs to be the most qualified. What was hillary doing during the time bill ignored Rwanda?

[jefferson_dem]

21. Bill himself says not acting on Rwanda is his biggest regret.

Why so dismissive?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/11/his_big_regret_not_acting_in_rwanda/

[madrchsod]

27. he`s also stated that they knew of the purchases

of machetes before the slaughter began. also it was the un, catholic church,and the belgians who controlled the country.there was very little the usa could have done to stop the violence in time

[wyldwolf]

3. Urging President Clinton to take action. Where was Obama's?

As I so often do, I checked the index of Audacity of Dope for a reference to Rwanda and found none. In fact, I found no reference to Kosovo, either.

[TeamJordan23]

5. Not in a position of power. Hillary was in the White House, and did nothing.

[sniffa]

7. and that's sad, since she was co-president

or something

[Cha]

15. hillary is running on

bill's legacy so that includes everything..not just the points they beef up.

[sniffa]

17. yeah, i know

but don't sully her with the bad stuff. :crazy:

[Cha]

23. hillary's emissaries

have a full time job defending her sullyness.

[wyldwolf]

9. Obama had nada to say about it. Maybe he didn't know about it?

:shrug:

[TeamJordan23]

11. Maybe you can ask his fellow Civil Rights attorneys since he was not in public office at the time.

Or maybe you can tell us what vile viewpoints he held during the time.

[wyldwolf]

20. he wasn't in public office at the time of Viet Nam, either, but wrote 5 pages on it

:shrug:

He wrote two pages on the first gulf war.

NOTHING on Rwanda. Or genocide, period. Why?

[sniffa]

19. cute defense of Lil Dog

:thumbsup:

[babylonsister]

29. Why are you trying so desperately to change the subject?

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

46. I'm not. It's completely relevant

[ccpup]

10. at least he should have been speaking out about it!

or is that a good and courageous thing to do only when he's preparing a run for President ... oops, sorry, for Senator?

[William769]

12. So let me get this Right?

Now your saying her time in the White House does count as experience?

[ElizabethDC]

16. How do you know what she did or didn't do?

If she were to have played a role in that, it likely would have been behind the scenes, in private conversations with her husband. If she differed with him on the matter (ie, if she favored intervention), she wouldn't have aired her differences publicly, because I think her philosophy was to be publicly supportive of him.

[earthlover]

36. And she is claiming Bill's White House years as experience...so it is a good point

[Nedsdag]

14. Apparently, Bill wasn't listening.

As for "changing" the title of Obama's book, would you like me to change the title of "It Takes a Village" to "It Takes a Village to Sexually Satisfy My Husband?"

No, I didn't think so.

[AZ Criminal JD]

38. He voted present

[Hydra]

4. Albright played up the spectre of Saddam

in such a fashion to justify dead children.

Same show, every day, it seems like.

[zulchzulu]

6. She did jackshit about Rwanda and Somalia after she returned from her trip

She must have been busy watching out for other activities happening in the White House.

[AtomicKitten]

8. " ... she did not assert herself on the crises of Somalia, Haiti, or Rwanda."

“Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/politics/26clinton.html

[hayu_lol]

18. Where were the other 99 senators and what were they doing?

You Hill haters really consider her to have been running the senate all by herself?

Truth doesn't matter to you folks, just so long as you can slam Hillary in your thread-starter topic.

Lessee, Mr Edwards was busy building his dream house and Mr Obama was busy and voted 'present.' Oh you say, Mr Obama wasn't in power then. And where was Biden, Dodd, and the rest? Where was Dennis in the house?

Much easier isn't it to just blame Hillary. You guys know that those damn women can never do anything right.

[sniffa]

22. so, Lil Dog was a Senator then?

you Lil Dog followers are really out there. i can see why you back her. :thumbsup:

[madrchsod]

25. so does that mean she has very little experience

in the whitehouse?

[madrchsod]

28. nothing she could have done

and very little the usa could have done at that time.


read "shake hands with the devil" or watch the documentary of the canadian who tried to stop it but could`t.


http://www.whitepinepictures.com/dallairesite/
Shake Hands With The Devil

[Bitwit1234]

30. Oh oh oh oh why didn't the American Idol rush over there

according to him he was every place else. Even places that never heard of him. Even people he invented. Go ask Ezra Klein he researched Obama's book and a lot of it was false.

[sniffa]

33. how many times must i beg you to start a blog?

your brilliant insights are going unheeded. :cry:

[babylonsister]

35. Hillary and Rwanda

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/12/26/hillary-and-rwanda.aspx

Hillary and Rwanda

Today's NYT look at Hillary's White House foreign-policy role by Pat Healy is interesting in various ways, not least for Hillary's conspicuous paranoia of saying anything noteworthy about her influence on Bill's decision making. Also conspicuous is her apparent omission of any hint that she supported bombing in Bosnia and Kosovo.

But I was most struck to see that when asked about the Rwandan genocide, "Mrs. Clinton declined to comment." It's odd enough that Hillary would agree to discuss 1990s foreign policy but then simply refuse to discuss a world-historical atrocity that occurred on her husband's watch (and whose lessons still resonate in Darfur and undoubtedly other places to come). But it's extra-intriguing because Rwanda is one case where Bill has explicitly said that Hillary disagreed with him. Per a Dec. 10 Boston Globe blog item from Iowa:

...using a more somber tone, {Bill} explained that {Hillary} had wanted the United States to intervene in Rwanda in 1994, when hundreds of thousands of people died in a genocide that lasted just a few months.

Clinton has often said that not acting in Rwanda was one of his biggest regrets. It's a decision, he said, for which he continues to try to make amends. Had he listened to his wife, Clinton said, things might have been different.

"I believe if I had moved we might have saved at least a third of those lives," he said. "I think she clearly would have done that."

He went on to explain how America, which did intervene in the former Yugoslavia, could only take on so much at once. But not acting in Rwanda, he suggested, was a mistake his wife wouldn't make.

If this is true--and already out there--why wouldn't Hillary want to talk about it? The only guess I can venture is that she's afraid of saying anything right now that contribute to the notion that she's an itchy-trigger-finger foreign policy hawk. But saying you wanted to intervene in Rwanda is a far, far cry from, backing war in Iraq or Iran. If anything it should help among liberal primary voters. (Or is this not a general-election issue she wants to confront?) I'm sort of at a loss. Reader theories welcome.

--Michael Crowley

[madrchsod]

42. you never know what you`ll find-----mr mitterrand of france-----

"In 1990, as the conflict between the Rwanda Patriotic Front (RPF) rebels in Uganda was heating up, French President François Mitterrand sent his son, Jean-Christophe, to head France’s special Africa Unit there. After the RPF began military strikes into Rwanda in 1990, Mitterrand ordered French troops to help the Hutu government. Jean-Christophe was quoted in the press saying, "We are going to send him a few boys, old man Habyarimana. We are going to bail him out. In any case, the whole thing will be over in two or three months.....

The papers show that Mitterrand ordered support of the Rwanda pro-genocide forces. French troops trained and armed the Hutu "genocidaires" before their attacks, sent French troops to back them and refused to protect the Tutsis. The documents were obtained by lawyers for six Tutsi survivors who have sued France for "complicity with genocide" at the Paris Army Tribunal. They say, however, that in contrast to Mitterrand, that French diplomats, the secret service and the military wanted France to disengage from Rwanda."



the source is from rwanda...........


http://www.rwandagateway.org/article.php3?id_article=7651
Play shows west’s moral failures during genocide - - News in rwanda





yes i was wrong about clinton not being able to do anything about this--he certainly could have yet no explanation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1182431,00.html
US chose to ignore Rwandan genocide | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

[Perry Logan]

44. Oh well. A desperate swipe at Hillary is better than no swipe at Hillary, right?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. that's her experience for you.

thank you, hillary. you are such a leader, really. I mean that.