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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:47 PM
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Why conservatives love Barack Obama.
Conason is definitely pro-Hillary, so he loses points with me there. And with others, no doubt.

He has written some excellent books about the Repuke attack machine that relentlessly tried to destroy the Clintons; and his stuff is always a great read. He reads the Repukes better than any writer I've read. He understands what the scum are up to. He also gets to the heart of Obama's big problem that will sink him in a general election.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/12/21/right_and_obama/


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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:56 PM
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1. K&R..a Great article that every Obama supporter should read
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:59 PM
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2. Oh no, you mean republicans will attack him?!
THIS NEVER OCCURRED TO ME!!!!!1111oneone
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:00 AM
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3. aw, he can read the bible with them and they will stop :-) nt
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:09 AM
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4. I am a Obama supporter, I read it, so what!
Biden is a loquacious jerk
Hillary is a Bitch
Edwards is a pretty boy
Biden is a Wetback

There it is out there the Repukes are going to attack any of them.

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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:31 AM
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5. That is called an ad-hominem attack
You said nothing about what Conason had to say about the love conservatives feel for Obama, but instead accused him of being pro-Hillary, blah blah.

Care to talk about the article?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:46 AM
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8. I think the OP agrees with Conason - even after the acknowledgment of his bias for the Clintons
:shrug:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:35 AM
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6. The Republicans are going to crudely smear any and all Democrats
next year. My gut tells me that this tried and true tactic will backfire on the Republicans. I think that the country is fed-up with nasty, rotten politics and just want a decent, dependable President, who will do the job and not embarrass us - anymore...
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:39 AM
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7. I wrote a response to that article: Stop listening to Rove and the Republicans
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:52 AM
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9. Its obvious that they want him as the nominee
Hense their silence on Him. They attack who they fear the most. Having said that, it would be interesting to watch it play out if Obama is the nominee. They would completely self destruct because it would be all about race and Obamas middle name. He would mop the floor with them and it would be funny to watch. Any of the Dem candidates would.
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GlenP Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:11 AM
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14. You're right, Republicans DO want Obama as the nominee.

You are giving the American voter WAY too much credit if you think the worthless crap they would pull on Obama wouldn't work with many of them. Republicans have refined and perfected their skill over many years and they know EXACTLY what will play with the large percentage of non-thinking voters out there who can and WILL be swayed by things as stupid as the name Barack HUSSEIN ObAMA. (Let alone the fact that he's a black man). <---- Although I should be careful here, it seems undesired here to point out the fact that Barack Obama is a black man, and his middle name is Hussein, that's right folks his middle name is Hussein (yes we all know this, but it's not a good idea to point that out on the DU for some reason).

Oh yeah, and his last name is almost IDENTICAL to the most hated man in America today (outside Bush). Again you give a good percentage of American voters too much credit if you think that won't play on them to some degree. Sure they won't claim that as a reason they won't vote for him, but they will pin every other excuse in the book on top of those little niggles in order to convince themselves not to vote for him.

At any rate, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Obama is the nominee I will work my ass off to TRY to get him elected, but I'd hedge my bets and place money on the odds that he would not win the general election in November.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 01:25 AM
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10. I don't buy it.
Doesn't anybody remember just a couple months ago, when all the RW talking heads were speaking so judiciously about Hillary. It was 'hands off Hillary' for months, and when they did talk about her it was about how she was the front runner, and a formidible candidate, and how her time in the senate had tempered her liberalism, etc etc etc.

They are just trying to poison the well. The best way for them to screw with us is to compliment our candidates - it sows mistrust and dissension between democrats, and doesn't hurt them at all because they will never support any democrat anyway.

If Edwards was in the lead, they'd be complimenting him, in their best back-handed way, on his ability to stand against the liberals that run his party, and his early connections with the DLC and his social conservative roots...anything to make him look bad to progressives.

I think Conason is reading this wrong.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:06 AM
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11. I buy it.
Because Conason hits the nail on the head.

Rove and crew are licking their chops...

And I am not a Hillary supporter, by the by.





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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:29 AM
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12. The Nation on disappointment in Obama: "Obama has lagged behind Edwards in offering innovative
policies and politicizing neglected issues. His healthcare plan is virtually identical to Hillary Clinton's--except it does not include mandates, a conservative feature he has curiously decided to emphasize. Likewise, his plan to exit Iraq exhibits the "strategic drift" toward leaving behind a significant residual force, as if fewer troops could accomplish what more have failed to do. Like Clinton, once in the Senate he has continued to vote for funding the war. These last two matters are especially unfortunate because they undermine what ought to be one of his greatest assets: Barack Obama was opposed to the Iraq War from the very beginning."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080107/editors
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:31 AM
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13. All this article seems to be saying is some RWers are hoping Barack beats Hillary ...
not even because they think Hillary is hard to beat, but because they hate her so much.

In turn, they assume Obama would be easy to beat, presumably easier than Edwards (the Edwards people claim he is the strongest candidate).

Now there are Democrats running for office across the country, in states such as Missouri, who say that they will get NO support from the top of the ticket if HRC gets the nomination. These folk often feel Obama would be better than HRC but seem to usually favor Edwards. There is much conventional wisdom backing the notion that Edwards, being a Southerner and a white male, would be stronger. The intangible factor is the PERSONAL strength of the candidate over time with voters, indeed in the context of the predictable SwiftBoating that Repugs will do. The notion that Obama 'doesn't have any armor' is odd. Does Edwards have "armor"? Obama has so far suffered quite a few attacks, and of course there is much whining about the media favoring him since the attacks seem to fail to stick. Remember Reagan "the Teflon president"? Well I suppose that is impossible unless one is RW, but still, the article tells us only what they determine RWers think, not how Obama would actually do (in contrast to parroting the CW)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:24 AM
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15. I've heard several conservatives say they are okay with Obama because
even though they don't agree with him on the issues, he doesn't offend them.

There's much to be gained by not being an asshole. Obama has rolled up his sleeves as a community organizer. He gets sh*t done. That's what he does.

If you want a 1990s Clintons vs The Wingnut Horde, Clinton's your girl.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:40 AM
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16. "There's much to be gained by not being an asshole." Obamites take heed.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:42 AM
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17. self-delete
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:51 AM by AtomicKitten
for lack of interest
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:56 AM
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19. calling members a "freeper" is against DU rules
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:57 AM by AtomicKitten
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