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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:29 AM
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"Experience" is whatever you have and your opponent doesn't
If you're a governor for 10 years, like I don't know, Howard Dean, then you have no experience because
1. you have no foreign policy experience...
2. (if you were the governor of one of the smallest 45 states) the state you ran is too small...
3. you don't know how Washington works...

If you're a senator for 12 years, then you have no experience because
1. you have no experience administering anything resembling a large nation...
2. you have not had to balance a budget...

Face it, the presidency is a unique job for which there is no analog, and "experience" is just something people use to bash their opponents over the head, no matter who they are.

And if you are really looking for the most experience then you should have voted for Bush in 2004, and ANY incumbent in any election.

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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:33 AM
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1. well, I don't know
One can't easily discount experience on a World Stage -- whether as well-traveled and outspoken First Lady or as US Senator of a largely populated, important (tourist-dollar wise and trade wise) State -- as compared to experience on the floor as State Senator of the Illinois General Assembly.

In any case, good luck to your candidate.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:48 AM
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3. Illinois is no slouch
but Clinton is clearly taking advantage of the opportunity to mold experience so she has it (amazing how being First Lady is now "experience")

good luck to your candidate as well. If she wins the nom she better win the general.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:08 AM
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6. being First Lady in and of itself
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 09:21 AM by ccpup
isn't necessarily experience. It's what one does with the opportunity that position presents is what makes it a role worth having. And Clinton, much to the constant chagrin of the 1990s repuglicans, took full advantage, educating herself about foreign policy, meeting World Leaders, forging relationships and speaking out about issues.

Obama, on the other hand, has been Chair of the European Affairs Subcommittee -- a fantastic opportunity to not only educate oneself about foreign relations, but also to burnish one's resume if it's deemed thin in that regard -- yet hasn't held one policy meeting or used the position to travel overseas (during his time as Chair and in any significant way) and meet with people his Chairmanship would allow him to meet and talk with thereby educating himself and forging potentially necessary relationships.

Again, it's about using the opportunities presented to you in a meaningful way that furthers one's education and -- yep, you guessed it -- experience.

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:34 AM
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2. Still, not that many candidates are married to a guy who once held the job.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:50 AM
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4. hillarious
Interviewer: do you have any experience in brain surgery
Job candidate: well I am married to a brain surgeon and have been for 10 years.
Interviewer: well in that case welcome aboard!

:eyes:

Why don't we ask the candidates if they stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night...
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:03 AM
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5. Being President is not brain surgery, that's for sure.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 09:07 AM by Perry Logan
Let's just say that--in addition to her eight years of observation and participation--unparalleled expertise will never be far away for Hillary. What an incredible advantage!
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:52 AM
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8. the same for Obama
You think Bill wouldn't give him advice were he in the White House? How about Jimmy Carter?

I couldn't care less about Hillary's "experience" until she started hypocritically attacking Obama on the issue.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:04 AM
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9. My advice: 1) admit your opponent's superiorities, and 2) stop smearing so much.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 10:08 AM by Perry Logan
Every slightest sing of opposition for you guys is an "attack." Calling Hillary a hypocrite is simple badmouthing. It clashes with your tone of moral superiority
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:06 AM
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10. what smear?
she is attacking Obama on experience when her own experience is non-traditional at best.

That's hypocritical.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:14 AM
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11. Let's check the definition of "hypocrisy," shall we?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 10:18 AM by Perry Logan
Hypocrisy is "the assumption or postulation of moral standards to which one's own behaviour does not conform."

Doesn't apply to what we're talking about, does it? So you've been caught smearing Hillary. You could at least refrain from congratulating yourself for it.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:19 AM
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12. she's holding Obama to a standard
that she doesn't hold herself to. That is hypocritical. First lady is experience but being a state legislator is NOT? She should NOT be attacking him on experience when she herself has only 7 years of "traditional" experience - as she claims.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:24 AM
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14. I think you just misunderstood the word, but liked the nasty sound of it.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 10:36 AM by Perry Logan
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:24 AM
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7. Experience
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:20 AM
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13. To ground all this, here's some more of Hillary's experience.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 10:21 AM by Perry Logan
HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:28 AM
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15.  Most impressive.
:thumbsup:
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