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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:51 AM
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Hillary Clinton Has No Health Care Plan
Her adviser just finished up a segment on Washington Journal during which she explained the Clinton Program and took questions from callers.

Hillary Clinton does not have a health care plan. She has an insurance plan. Clearly she does not know the difference or she is trying to fool us into thinking that the two are the same thing - they are not. The 'plan' that was described was every insurance company executive's wet dream - mandatory coverage.

The next paragraph is my opinion only:

In this case her idea is unacceptable and the matter in question is of such importance that it makes her unacceptable. I have rarely seen a politician on the Democratic side get it so utterly wrong and I if she can't get this simply thing - a national Health Care Program - right then I certainly do not trust her on the much more complicated issues facing the nation. So let me say it again, Hillary is simply unacceptable as a Candidate for President.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:53 AM
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1. She needs to give us the same health plan she has as a Senator.
Then there would be a healthCARE plan, not another insurance scam.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:01 PM
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12. Not true. I have the same coverage as Hillary
As far as I know all Government Employees get it but if not all of them at least the ones that do - meaning the vast majority including Senators, Representatives, and common old GS-whatever employees. It is the Federal Employees Health Insurance Plan, and all it is is partially employer sponsored health insurance but with a number of companies providing plans and you as the employees get to select from between them. They do not all cost the same and they do not all have the same coverage. None of them is great, none of them is bad.

That said notice that it is an insurance plan, that is not what this nation needs. This nation needs National Health Care. Health Care has nothing to do with insurance, or at least it shouldn't have. There is no lack of health care in this country and there is no lack of health care practitioners. What there is a lack of is equitable distribution of what health care that is available. You can get all you want, more than you need, if you have the money for coverage. Otherwise you might as well be in the depths of the Amazon as be sick and broke in this country.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:54 AM
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2. Her plan would virtually guarantee my future health, if I were an Insurance Company.
Sadly, I'm a human being who cannot afford health insurance.
As such, it won't do a damn thing except hassle me.

I give it :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:55 AM
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3. except for Dennis K---the others all have INsurance plans also.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:07 AM
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4. That is my feeling also.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:35 AM
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7. Exactly. nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:44 AM
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8. That's right
They should dump their plans and back his. Get it over with. The country is ready.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 01:52 PM
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11. Yup. nt
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:21 PM
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18. "Medicare for all" is also an insurance plan --
My husband has medicare. He pays premiums and the doctors submit claims for reimbursement. It is arguable that it is a better health insurance plan because it is single payer and not-for-profit. But it is still a health insurance plan.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:33 AM
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22. true--but the single payer does cut down on paper work.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:19 AM
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5. She is in the pocket of
Insurance comps. mandatory insurance is NOT the way to go Hillary!!!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 10:11 AM
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27. Indeed
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:34 AM
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6. I thought this was obvious, but nice to see it stated here
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:02 PM
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13. how is Clinton's plan worse than Edward's plan?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:07 PM
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14. Edwards would give one a choice between single payer and private....
Hillary's is only through insurance companies from which she gets money.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:07 PM
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15. how does that make it worse?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:15 PM
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16. Private health insurance is the problem with US health care. It costs at
least double what single payer costs in all other industrial nations.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 12:13 PM
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9. Hillary's half-a-plan is still better than Obama quarter-plan
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 01:48 PM
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10. Her plan is Romney's plan
How's that working for the people of Massachusettes?

No offense, but we don't need welfare for Insurance Companies.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:17 PM
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17. She does too. It's Nixon's 1974 plan
See?

She'll be the best Republican president since Eisenhower.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:51 PM
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19. I agree with you completely. Sometimes it makes you want to scream.
Why does the money from insurance companies into campaign coffers have more clout that millions of Americans without health care and a whole lot more with lousy health care. Insurance is not the damn answer.:grr:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:20 AM
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20. No other candidates do except Kucinich n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:25 AM
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21. You've got that right,
Yet Hillary is trying to make like she is all liberal or something, calling her plan "Universal Health Care", a deliberate distortion of the language that tries to make people think her plan is much like the Canadian or British models, when in reality it is nothing more than a gift to the health insurance industry.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:34 AM
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24. BINGO--SEE ABOVE POSTS
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 07:34 AM
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23. sadly true
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 09:52 AM
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25. Where is her bill? Kucinich's HR 676 Medicare for All has 87 co-sponsors. n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 09:58 AM
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26. You're absolutely right -- It is Mittcare in drag
The only form of mandatory care that makes sense would be expanded Medicare.

The only secondary option would be to offer a publicly funded Medicare-like alternative, to give people a choice to the private pirates.
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