Evan Bayh just used the Bhutto assassination, as expected.

[jenmito]

He just said, in NH, "Tragedies like this one are reminders that we need someone with the seasoning and the experience and strength to be Commander in Chief during uncertain times." Athena Jones, with the Clinton campaign just reported this on MSNBC.

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. well. It is true.

And honestly, I blame the lack of experience in Bush for having a part in causing this mess.

[jenmito]

2. So we need Dick Cheney? HE'S seasoned and experienced. We don't need that kind of experience.

Obama's judgement is what we need. Not someone who gets it wrong time after time.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. how do you know what Obama's judgment is? "present"

does not cut it. Saying he does not know what he would do, and voting for the war time and again, does not translate to "judgment."

[jenmito]

8. He spoke out strongly against it when every one of the main candidates voted for it.

Also, Bhutto spoke out and agreed with Obama's position on Pakistan.

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. See, he did not speak out against it time and again

he voted for funding it at every turn. He said he does not know what he would have done had he been in the Senate.

And to suggest to invade a soverign foreign nation is--reprehensible! It is what Bush suggests.

[jenmito]

18. He spoke out against it before it happened.

It's not his fault Hillary and Edwards voted for it, allowing Bush to invade Iraq. He only said that to not make Kerry and Edwards look bad.

He didn't suggest invading a sovereign nation. He suggested having to strike bin Laden/al Qaeda inside Pakistan as a last resort IF nothing else worked and Pakistan didn't cooperate. Bhutto agreed with him. And as Biden will tell you, it's our policy NOW. A sovereign nation that refuses to cooperate in getting our enemies loses its right to sovereignty.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. right. He only said that so he would not make Edwards look bad.

That is the beauty of Obama. He cannot avoid taking a stand on anything and come back later and claim everything.

[jenmito]

30. Yes, he was asked this right before his keynote speech for two people who voted for the war.

The beauty of Obama is that he has good judgement.

[JackORoses]

31. it's funny you are trying to turn Obama pro-war when your Hill is a veritable War Horse

Did Hillary ever speak out against the war before it became a disaster?

Obama did.

[Evergreen Emerald]

43. yes she did.

Look at her speech in the Senate. She was against war and said it was a last resort.

[JackORoses]

47. yet she voted for it as a first resort

more of her disingenuousness

keep arguing this point

it is a microcosm of all things Hillary

[ccpup]

16. oh god. The "judgment" argument again

Sticking one's finger in the air and testing the political mood before deciding whether to vote -- or show up to vote -- or not does NOT make one a political genius with good judgment. Before you know it, they'll be calling him a foreign policy expert with more experience with world leaders than anyone else in history, a wise sage turned to by more important people for advice than anyone else in the world.

At some point, you just have to shake your head and laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.

[durrrty libby]

10. Indeed . This has all the ingredients to produce another

Saddam Hussein. Support the dictator as long as he does your bidding, give him billions and weapons

and then be shocked when it all comes crumbling down

[itsrobert]

3. Just disgusting

Apparently Hillary thinks she can use the murder to her advantage. Real sad.

[jenmito]

6. I was just called all sorts of names for saying her campaign will use this to her advantage

and I've already been proven right.

[meegbear]

4. Politicians are going to make hay with this ...

I'm sure someone in Obama's campaign will too, as will Biden's, Edwards', Dodd's, etc.

[ronnykmarshall]

7. But that's different.

[jenmito]

14. You owe me an apology.

[durrrty libby]

20. Here, I'll apologize to you. I am extremely sorry that you have so much

anxiety for your candidate, even though it is indeed warranted

The fact that he was "shocked" over the assassination only highlights

his inexperience

[sandnsea]

28. You were wrong

Your candidate did it first, just as most of us suspected she would. You made a huge stink about any political reference, even though the attacks on Obama came long before that post about Obama's view of Pakistan. You're the one who was appalled that anybody would besmirch the memory of this great woman by using her death politically before her body was cold. Are YOU going to hold your own candidate accountable?

[IndianaJones]

9. OMG! nt.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

12. It's expected because there is truth to it

sorry but it is only logical.

[jenmito]

19. If that's the case, Cheney is the perfect guy for the job. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. GROSS!!!

[MadBadger]

15. Couldnt he wait to say this until the body was at least buried?

He only has to wait 24 hours. Jeeeeez.

[durrrty libby]

26. Extremely naive attitude. One must strike while the iron is hot. No one even listens

24 hours later.

[TeamJordan23]

17. Very sad. nm

[Bullet1987]

21. Any politician that tries to use her murder to enhance their political

careers need to be called on it and criticized. This is actually an opening for Obama if he takes it...and doesn't "go with the flow".

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. Every politician is talking about it. You are being unreasonable in only focusing on Clinton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3892791&mesg_id=3893377

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3892031

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3893237

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3892257

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3892249

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3892376

[jenmito]

32. Talking about it and saying that this is a reason we need a certain candidate are 2 different

things.

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. Did you just here Obama on MSNBC?

He said there was a direct link between Clinton voting for IWR and the assisnation.

Where is your outrage?

[jenmito]

45. No. I'm now watching CNN. Do you have his quote or are you making it up from the other thread

where Axelrod was asked by reporters about whether or not this will help Hillary?

[MH1]

48. BWA.HA.HA.HA

:rofl:

[killbotfactory]

24. FEAR

FEAR FEAR FEAR
FEAR FEAR FEAR
vote clinton!

[jenmito]

34. Another page out of the RW playbook. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

25. Bush-style fearmongerteering from Project Restoration

Dreary.

[sandnsea]

29. Reject the fear mongerers n/t

[K Gardner]

27. There ya go. VOTE HILLARY !

[jefferson_dem]

33. Evan Bayh is a needle-nose toolbox.

Always has been, always will be.

[jenmito]

35. I wonder if Hillary will condemn his untimely remarks.

I doubt it.

[K Gardner]

39. She has no control over her "surrogates" ! Didn't you know that?? n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

40. Not just her

http://thepage.time.com/axelrod-on-bhutto-assassination/

[Kucinich4America]

36. As if anyone outside of Indiana gives a flying fuck what Evan Bayh thinks about anything.

He would never be able to pass himself off as a "Democrat" in any other state, and he only gets away with it there because of who his daddy was.

[jenmito]

37. Didn't he endorse Hillary?

[Kucinich4America]

41. Don't know if he has, officially

But as a past DLC chair himself, it's all but inevitable.

[Donna Zen]

44. Yes he did

Well, he would considering he's after that vp spot. Besides, Bayh advises us not to trust the NIE, and he voted against the energy bill. Bayh's a busy boy.

His statement was "inevitable" but clumsy. Evan will do pretty much anything he's told.

[jenmito]

46. Wow. Thanks for that info...

I didn't know he doesn't trust the NIE nor that he voted against the energy bill.

[Donna Zen]

49. A thread in GD

the Sunday Bayh appeared on CNN with Wolfie detailed the whole thing about Bayh vs the NIE. Essentially, it was impossible to believe that the guy was a Democrat. Hey, I saw it with my own eyes.

Whenever there is one of those crucial vote in the Senate and some Democrats defect, Bayh is always on the "bad critter" list.

Sirota's book, Hostile Takeover rants about the politicians who betray the public in favor of corporate greed. The ONLY Democrat that garners Sirota's ire by being called a "hack" is Bayh.

[jenmito]

50. Thanks again...

So I fully expect to see Bayh as her running mate IF she somehow gets the nomination.

[sniffa]

38. the dirty money guy?

nice.