Obama Adviser: Bhutto Assassination Reminds Us That Hillary Made Wrong Call On Iraq War

[babylonsister]

FWIW, this one is the true headline despite the crap the Clinton supporters are spewing. Maybe their gal embarrasses them? :shrug:


http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_adviser_bhutto_assassination_reminds_us_that_hillary_made_wrong_call_on_iraq_war.php

Obama Adviser: Bhutto Assassination Reminds Us That Hillary Made Wrong Call On Iraq War
By Greg Sargent - December 27, 2007, 2:49PM

Okay, the battling among Dems over how the Bhutto assassination will affect the Dem primary is officially underway. Today after Barack Obama's closing argument speech in Iowa, Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him on whether the killing could help Hillary.

Here's one key exchange:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

[LostinVA]

1. That Obama advisor (and whomever authorized that comment) should be ashamed of themselves

[annie1]

3. seriously. with 2 other candidates voting yay on iraq, and he calls out clinton...

he can kinda go f himself.

[babylonsister]

13. Sounds like he was specifically asked about Clinton.

"...questions from reporters who pressed him on whether the killing could help Hillary." Your argument doesn't hold water.

[annie1]

21. number 1, that question does not have hillary in it. 2...

Obama is a big boy and doesn't need to play the media's game. He should know better than that.

[babylonsister]

24. Then you're not reading it correctly. He was specifically asked about

how Hillary benefits, per the article. I can't read it for you.

[annie1]

29. i read it. i said THAT QUESTION. and in THAT "EXCHANGE" as ...

it is written there, it does NOT invoke her name, he does. and like i said, he's a big boy, he doesn't have to play their games.

[calteacherguy]

6. Why? What did he say that was wrong?

He simply said that Iraq diverted us from Pakistan and Afghanistatn. Very true.

[killbotfactory]

8. How should he have responded to the question?

I guess he should ignore the fact that the Iraq war was a gigantic distraction from our fight against the terrorists who have been implicated in this attack?

[annie1]

32. i think you put it very well, that the iraq war was a giant distraction....

etc. :). You should run. :)

[annie1]

2. Hillary is gonna be PISSED. i hope she can deal with this calmly. i would be angry. jmo folks.

that's kinda messed up.

[calteacherguy]

14. What does she have to be angry about? nt

[annie1]

26. Obama said "we see the results of" ...'the iraq war and hillary's judgement.',....

right after the death of a great leader and friend of hillary's. i personally think he shouldn't have gone there. that's just my opinion. it's not going to send me over the edge or anything, but i think there is a way to tout his own judgement in a time like this without pointing fingers.

[calteacherguy]

33. I see the statement entirely differently. He was responding to a direct question.

We agree to disagree.

[Dems Will Win]

43. Um it was NOT OBAMA - it was Axelrod...

[annie1]

44. sry sry, i just came back to change that. sry. (shoot, time expired).

[jillan]

4. Obama should tell him to shut up.

This looks really bad, and the msm is raising eyebrows.

[calteacherguy]

10. Why? What did he say that was wrong? nt

[jillan]

18. Because today is not a day for finger pointing.

They are focusing on the wrong thing.

I like Obama better than Hillary, and I just feel that these kind of comments will hurt him.

[calteacherguy]

22. I don't inerpret those comments as finger pointing.

We need to have a serious discussion on how to deal with Islamic terrorism. Nobody is blaming anyone for her death except those who shot her.

[jillan]

34. Read the comments here and all over the internets.

This is hurting Obama. Close your eyes if you want to.

[calteacherguy]

37. I don't know if it's hurting or helping, but I think he responded to the question appropriately. nt

[K Gardner]

5. Thank you Babylon Sister. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. Obama voted to fund Iraq war again and again. Is it his fault too?

Double standards

[calteacherguy]

11. He didn't say this was anyone's fault. What are you talking about?

He said this:

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.


What's wrong with that? Good response, imo.

[DemKR]

9. SO what does it have to do with IWR????

It's politicizing. Call it what you want. "The politics of hope" was so 2004..

[shaniqua6392]

12. At least Clinton does not avoid voting on important issues.

The Obama people have it entirely wrong this time too. I am not a big Clinton fan but I do tire of Obama trying to remind everyone that he opposed the war in the first place. How do we know that for sure? He was not even in the Senate and if he was he probably would not have even shown up for the vote. He seems to avoid voting on anything that might stick to him later on depending on how things go.

[BeyondGeography]

15. This is the key phrase

"Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him on whether the killing could help Hillary."

It's a stupid-assed discussion led by Fear Inc., also known as the MSM, and the Clinton campaign is privately overjoyed about it. Of course Axelrod is going to bring the conversation around to judgment. That's where she's weak. It's called politics, folks, don't be so shocked and awed.

[calteacherguy]

16. K&R. The issues are related, and we need to have the discussion.

The Iraq war encouraged more terrorism, and distracted us from Pakistan and Afghanistan. Nobody is responsible for her death but those who shot her, but the issues are related and we need to have the discussion.

It's time for a better way. My vote is with Obama.

[William769]

17. Just when I thout you couldn't go any lower, I was wrong. NT

[calteacherguy]

19. What are you referring to? nt

[laconicsax]

20. I didn't expect that Obama

would start taking pages out of the Karl Rove playbook. Yes, its and adviser, but he's ultimately responsible for things said by his campaign.

Did he say that Clinton killed Bhutto, that she was involved in the assassination, or that she was responsible? No. He simply put the two together.

Did *&co. say the Saddam committed 9/11, that he was involved in 9/11, or that he was responsible? No. They simply put the two together.

[beachmom]

35. This has nothing to do with Karl Rove. n/t

[MNDemNY]

23. So, we were distracted from our mission in Afghanistan,and Pakistan.

on that I agree, but am I to think That BHO believes that our mission was to take out Musharif(sp)?
As it is pretty clear that he holds the blame for this assassination. Sounds like that whole inexperience thing is showing.

[BenDavid]

25. Obama should make a public apology to Senator Clinton, and

this will hurt obama as it should and questions need be asked, where was Obama on funding of Iraq and Pakistan for his tenure in the Senate? What did He do? According to Axelrod, is Obama to blame for the Bhutto assassination too? Outrageous stuff from the Obama campaign.

Obama and his speech of hope made a u turn today and hope this will not destroy his campaign....

[bluewisdom]

42. conflating...rovian style 101

:nuke: apologize bho!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. This has the potential (no pun intended) to blow up in Obama's face

[KennedyGuy]

28. This is pathetic..even for Obama...

Is this his message of Hope?
Stepping over a dead woman to put down a rival?
Classy...really classyy

[suston96]

30. Axelrod should be Shaheened.

[KennedyGuy]

36. Tweety will have an orgasm saying

what character he has for attacking Clinton..
then in the next segment..cry about Hillary kneecapping poor little Obama...

[beachmom]

31. The Democrats are on the same page when it comes to Afghanistan

and Pakistan. I don't think this tragedy should become fodder for the primary war.

The truth is Pakistan is a very dangerous place; I think most Democrats supported the deal that would have made Musharraf president and Bhutto elected prime minister. So did Condi Rice. It was Dick Cheney who undermined the effort with his 100% support for Musharraf, no matter what Perez did, even when he re-stacked the Supreme Court and declared Marshall Law.

Yes, I don't agree with Hillary's vote for the IWR, but the Iraq War is Bush's war. It was Bush's idea to blow off Afghanistan and Pakistan, and let the situation there worsen, while W pursued his dream of making Iraq a "Jeffersonian democracy" with oil that would flow forever and endless work for private American contractors.

I can't get into these attacks no matter where they come from on something this tragic. All of the candidates should knock it off.

[politicasista]

38. I agree.

These attacks do not make them look good. Especially when we should be remembering Ms. Bhutto's life, not politicizing her or her tragic death.


:thumbsup:

[MNDemNY]

39. DING_DING And the winner is BHO!!!

The campaign of BHO is the first one in the Democratic race to officially use the death of Bhutto as a political tool...Congratulations, Barack. Can HRC be far behind?http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3894018
Edited to add link and say, I knew it wouldn't be long!

[hayu_lol]

40. It is interesting that Obama has no more control over the flapping jaws...

of his Obama Surrogates than any other candidate.

This was a time when statements(non-political)were mandated from the principals. The rest of the surrogates should have had the good taste to refer the press to their principals.

And yes, the Obama surrogate's statement amounted to a political attack on Hillary--who made her statement as she should have done.

Experience and class always wins in the end.

[ClarkUSA]

45. Everything Axelrod said was correct... the only flapping jaws belong to Hillaryworld's minions

:nopity:

[Dems Will Win]

41. Um his middle name is not Hussein, it's Neo, cause he's THE ONE. That would be BNO...

BARACK NEO OBAMA

http://xs222.xs.to/xs222/07490/TheOne!.gif



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