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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:47 PM
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Obama campaign reportedly in a "panic" after politicizing Bhutto's death
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Taylor Marsh, a popular progressive online blogger "The Obama campaign is in a panic. Mr. Axelrod’s reprehensible statement is meant to deflect the spotlight and rescue his candidate, because as people think about the implications of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination one thing comes to mind and it isn’t the leadership experience of Barack Obama.”

Bhutto's death will "call into issue the judgment: who's made the right judgments," Axelrod said. "Obviously, one of the reasons that Pakistan is in the distress that it's in is because al-Qaeda is resurgent, has become more powerful within that country and that's a consequence of us taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq. That's a serious difference between these candidates and I'm sure that people will take that into consideration." ... ..

... .. “(Clinton) was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq, which we would submit, was one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in this event today, so that’s a judgment she’ll have to defend,” Axelrod said. “I know Woody Allen said that 80% of life is just showing up but there’s actually more to being proficient in foreign policy than just having been around for a long time. You also have to have good judgment. Obama was willing to split with the conventional wisdom on Iraq and many of these other issues and I think events have borne out his judgment.”

Axelrod on Bhutto Assassination

International tragedy has made Barack Obama and his campaign desperate for fear their paper thin experience in foreign policy will be weighed as voters ready for the Iowa primaries. It's in moments of crisis you find out what a candidate has and the strength of his character to respond to real dangers in the world. Another example of Mr. Obama's campaign of "hope," no doubt.

But Mr. Axelrod has stepped into it now. Blaming Clinton? This statement is not only beyond the pale, but it is made even more reprehensible, not to mention ridiculous, by Obama's campaign turning from the very serious subjects of Afghanistan-Pakistan-al Qaeda to the pop culture filmmaker Woody Allen, equating the two in a statement that is so ignorant you have to wonder if the Obama camp actually understands the possible ramifications of what happened today. I assure you, it does not come close to resembling or reflecting Woody Allen's wisdom on life. Seriously, the celebrity candidacy of Barack Obama, now threatened by a foreign policy emergency, has slipped into the nonsensical.

It reminds me of what Mr. Obama said himself about Pakistan in September, which now looks equally ignorant.

In 2004, Obama said that if president Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country: As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses. Musharraf's troops are battling hundreds of well-armed foreign militants and Pakistani tribesmen in increasingly violent confrontations.

"... I think there are elements within Pakistan right now--if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don't think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks."

Maybe Obama and Bill Richardson should have a conference call, since both want to eject Musharraf, then replace him with.... what, exactly? I guess Mr. Obama hasn't gotten that far in his thinking.

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will. " - Senator Barack Obama

No thank you, I'll stick with the grown ups.

Zbig BRZEZINSKI: I think the United States should not get involved in Pakistani politics. I deplore the absence of democracy in Pakistan, but I think admonitions from outside, injecting exile politicians into Pakistan, telling the Pakistan president what he should or should not wear, that he should take off his uniform, I don't really think this is America’s business and I don't think it helps to consolidate stability in Pakistan. As far as India’s concerned, obviously it's very important that the Indians exercise restraint because any intensification of tensions between India and Pakistan might very well inflame conditions even within India which is about 160 to 170 million Muslims. And the state of Gujarat, which is India but is close to Pakistan is heavily Muslim and there are already very acute religious, ethnic tensions in Gujarat.

Too bad Mr. Obama isn't listening to Zbig. The ramifications of Mr. Obama's foreign policy ideas, especially on Pakistan send chills down my spine.

Once again, Barack Obama and his campaign not only prove that they are willing to say anything and take any opportunity to point a finger at a fellow Democrat, but they do so revealing their abject amateur status of their own national security thinking.

The politics of hope was always a mirage, but today it revealed what an unmitigated fraud the notion was from the start. It also reminds us all that hope in regions like Pakistan will only get people killed and make the world a more dangerous place through thinking of politicians like Barack Obama who obviously is offering no insight, while hoisting speculative solutions that are in their infancy of formation.


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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:49 PM
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1. Marsh is the definition of Hill Shill
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:51 PM
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4. She's the definition of an asshole, imo nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:52 PM
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7. She writes for HillaryIs44, too
'Nuff said.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:56 PM
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13. ewe. gross. f that site.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:53 PM
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34. You mean it was from the Hillary Herd? You don't say!....
Lying POSs
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:49 PM
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2. Is the little bitty Hillary - Obama feud going your way....Good! Edwards will easily take Iowa!!
More Hillary robot bullshit!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:50 PM
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3. Ah, Taylor Marsh. The "Capitol Hill Blue" of the campaign season. NT
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:55 PM
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35. Yeah...and how does Taylor Swamp know the Obama campaign is in panic?
Is he there among them? HA!
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:11 PM
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36. The pundits in her head told her.
Srsly.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:51 PM
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5. Nowehere do I see "panic"
If you make an assertion, you back it up.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:15 PM
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38. Ah, come on!....you don't expect the Hillary Herd to back up their proclamations of TRUTH?
...do ya'?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:51 PM
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6. taylor marsh is an idiot. shrill. and not very bright or accurate.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:52 PM
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8. Wheres the proof of any panic? Unless Hillary is Paniced by Evan Bayh's statement today
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:53 PM
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9. To be fair, one should point out that Taylor Marsh is a vociferous campaigner for Hillary...
whose previous blogs have included hit pieces on both Obama and Edwards.

I'm not saying she doesn't have a point here. I'm just saying it's more-useful if the source is properly identified as more than just a "popular progressive online blogger." In terms of the Democratic presidential primary, she is a committed partisan.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:58 PM
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14. Just browsed through a few of the recent posts on that blog
and as you said, a definite Hillaroid.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:54 PM
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10. I'm sure Taylor Marsh would like everyone to THINK the campaign is in a panic.
This is ridiculous.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:17 PM
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39. Yup...as in....how does Taylor know? Not exactly part of the group....
I am so tired of the Hillary Herd making up reality in their own image.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:54 PM
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11. Obama's people are as inexperienced as he is...
Clinton is the best candidate in times such as these.

:kick: and recommend
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:55 PM
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12. Why is she a better candidate in "times like these"
Than joe Biden or Bill Richardson?
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:58 PM
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15. Because Richardson wants to arm us with AK-47's, and Biden wants to keep us in Iraq n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:00 PM
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17. Biden wants to keep us in Iraq eh?
Fuckin bullshit you are spewing.

Second, Hillary's foreign policy experience is little league compared to Joe Biden.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:02 PM
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19. Clinton wants us to have military bases in Iraq
Biden actually has a real plan to do something about Iraq. Clinton's plan is more of the same.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:59 PM
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16. because she's a "world class genius" of course! why she's uh.. uh..
geniusy and stuff!
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:01 PM
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18. Taylor Marsh?? HAHA
Couldn't find a better source than one of the Clinton Campaign's top spokeswoman?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:19 PM
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20. I find the Obamabots comments above SHAMEFUL and DISGUSTING...
AGAIN - Obama has stepped into it - BIGTIME - and these IDIOTS still try to defend the indefensible...

from his homophobic pandering to now this...

I know I will stay home if Obama is the Dems candidate - tho I doubt that will happen - stick a fork in him - he's DONE!
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:19 PM
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41. spoken like a real Democrat....NOT!
And what is this about "the dems candidate"? Aren't you a dem? Oh...I see....
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:19 PM
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21. If the Obama campaign was in a panic,
Obama or Axelrod would have made another statement by now.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:20 PM
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22. Inexperience ...
He is just inexperienced.
These kinds of mistakes can't win.

The Republicans would jump all over it.

Do we elect a candidate who would fumble at the end?
I don't. Kerry was enough.

It's time to win.

W.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:27 PM
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24. Taylor Marsh sounds much like that darling of Richard Mellon Scaifes...
Ann Coulter. Thats right: Annthrax.

Two surrogates make statements and the war is underway. None of us, from whatever camp we belong to, need this kind of garbage from surrogates.

I rather doubt that Obama is in panic...and am sure that Hillary is not. Perhaps actually, both have regrets about this incident.

Certainly none of us need the additional aggravation caused by supporters.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:33 PM
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25. You're probably right ...
Perhaps I jumped the gun.
I apologize for that.

But I do worry about his experience.
I like the guy -- as I like most of these candidates.

If Obama wants to win -- he needs to show that he's a leader during this time of crisis. And make no mistake, this is a big deal. Pakistan has nukes; instability is serious.

I saw Hillary's response -- it was right on.
She knew Bhutto well -- for 12 years. You can't hope for that kind of experience; you either have it or you're working on attaining it over time.

W.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:36 PM
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26. If Kerry was enough, then why do you want a repeat of 2004?
What do you think you are going to get with Sen. Clinton?

"She was for the war....Before she was against it...."

All over again.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:38 PM
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27. That's not what killed Kerry --
Kerry killed Kerry.
He wasn't captivating -- he generated no energy -- and he was ... boring.

Listen -- it was not the issues that killed Kerry, it's the response (or lack thereof) to the issues that killed Kerry.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:21 PM
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23. Truth hurts Hillaryworld so they're crying like stuck pigs. What Axelrod REALLY said (link & quote):
Today after Barack Obama's closing argument speech in Iowa, Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him
on whether the killing could help Hillary.

Here's one key exchange:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the
war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent,
they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated,
but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_adviser_bhutto_assassination_reminds_us_that_hillary_made_wrong_call_on_iraq_war.php
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:39 PM
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28. Ms. Bhutto was a wonderful leader and a great human being. Axelrod's comments are awful.
I'm not a Hillary supporter in any way, but Axelrod blew it big time. Obama isn't going to helped to victory by a guy like Axelrod, anyway.
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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:39 PM
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29. Obama's campaign reminds me of Kerry's...destined to fail
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:41 PM
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31. Campaigning is a skill ... like it or not.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:40 PM
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30. Axelrod should go then
he's either a hugh moran, or he represents the campaigns views...

actually there is the position i take about this between the two...

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:10 PM
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32. how do you feel about Evan Bayh and his shilling?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 07:10 PM by JackORoses
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:11 PM
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33. Taylor Marsh is in a panic to bash Obama
:rofl:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:12 PM
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37. AXELRODGATE THREAD #7
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:21 PM
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42. gee....isn't it 777 by now?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:19 PM
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40. "I think the United States should not get involved in Pakistani politics."
Yeah, right, Zbig.
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