How was what Axelrod said inaccurate? Answer: It wasn't.

[Joe the Revelator]

Hillary's vote did take away resources from Afghanastan and the hunt for Al Qadia. Axelrod is correct in saying that Hillary's vote on the IWR has a direct effect on world events. If Hillary's supporters are going to rake him over the coals, someone needs to tell me how what he said was inaccurate.

[Pirate Smile]

1. No one is supposed to point out that the Iraq War was a distraction from the

real battle against AQ in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

That is rude to point out.

Let's all act like those kinds of decisions don't have real consequences.

[annie1]

32. really? the vote was to ignore Afg and Pak for the last 5 years? link to that vote?

[K Gardner]

2. Enough already, please. This topic is roasted. All but a VERY FEW of the

candidates are doing this. Another thread isn't going to make it better. Please.

[Joe the Revelator]

5. Nobody has asked this question. Team Hillary is posting every blog post mentioning the comments...

I want to know what he said that was inaccurate.

[sentelle]

3. Not inaccurate

Just not the right time.

I am NOT a Hillary supporter, but can we at least put Bhutto into the ground before we start blaming her death on one candidate or another?

[MadBadger]

6. I agree with this

THough I would like to know if a reporter asked him a question on this, because he was taking questions.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Bullshit. He was answering a question and answered it accurately

So once again, whats the problem??

[gaiilonfong]

4. The Clintons refuse to say she made a mistake

SOoooooo, this is how they try to cover-up her flaws they make up stuff and send out surrogates to shill and make false noise to cover-up for her mistakes!

[hayu_lol]

7. Bush took the troops out of Afghanistan to make his invasion of Iraq...

Hillary's vote, one of 76 such votes, had nothing to do with Bush's plans which were already in play.

Neither Axelrod nor Bayh should have responded to the press. The condolence messages should have come from principals only...and not the usual flea market of surrogates.

If you believe differently, then your Momma didn't raise you right.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. So you're saying that Hillary's support of the IWR has no bearing on the allocation of troops....

between Afghanastan and the middle east? You're living in a dream world then, kid.

[TankLV]

8. ...that didn't take long, did it...

[Joe the Revelator]

11. No one had answered the question yet

....

[gulliver]

12. He should have waited. Then he should have blamed Bush.

I'm impressed by Dems who blame Bush and Republicans for the war. That serves politics and the truth best. Everyone knows Dem leaders were misled into the war. Would there have been a war if Hillary had not been in the Senate? Yes. Would there have been a war if Bush, Cheney, and the GOP had not been prancing around the White House? No. QED.

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Why shouldn't Hillary be held responsible for her vote over and over again?

I mean, its not like she's admitted she's wrong or anything.

[gulliver]

18. She should be held responsible for her votes.

If you want to hold her responsible for IWR or Kyl-Liebermann that is fine, but those votes should be portrayed objectively. Nothing should ever distract or dilute the full responsibility of Bush, Cheney, and the GOP for the war. Anything that does that is a disservice to justice, IMO.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. She enabled Bush, which makes her just as big a part of the problem.

[gulliver]

21. "just as big" a part of the problem as Bush?

I don't think so. There would have been no Iraq War without Bush. Would you agree? There would still be an Iraq War without Hillary. Do you agree? If you agree with both of these, then it is clear she was not just as big a problem as Bush. Proportion is essential to understanding the truth, IMO. You can't have truth without proportion.

The overwhelmingly conclusive truth is that the Iraq War is the GOP's f-up. It is plain as day, an open and shut case. It is an f-up with deliberate mischaracterization of proportion by the perpetrators. That makes it a crime, whether laws were actually broken or not. Don't mitigate the crime Bush, Cheney, and the GOP committed.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. Hillary could have shown leadership. She did not. Her job was to serve as a check....

to the executive branch. Since she failed to do this, she is just as culpable.

[gulliver]

27. The true guilty party is the GOP and Bush.

They know it too. Don't help them. They don't deserve it. They are idiots and sneaks.

[Joe the Revelator]

29. So is anyone who enabled them. Why won't you hold members of your own party to their votes??

They, of all people, should have heard the calls of the anti-war activists BEFORE the vote.

[Evergreen Emerald]

33. why do you ignore obama's votes to support the war again and again?

Double standard

[ccpup]

13. Hillary did not continue this war alone

and didn't continue funneling money away from Pakistan and the hunt for al-Qaeda in a vacuum. Obama was right there with her, voting time and time again to continue funding the war in Iraq.

Now, if you can point me to actual legislation he introduced and worked hard to garner support for to redirect Iraq War Money back to Afghanistan and the hunt for al-Qaeda, I'll gladly tip my proverbial hat to him. But I don't envy you in your search.

[Joe the Revelator]

16. The fact of the matter is, Hillary could have helped cut the mistake off at its inception

She failed to act with any sense of leadership, and followed blindly into the quagmire.

[ccpup]

22. and Obama has followed her

and the rest of the Senators in continuing to fund this war. If he had true political courage and actually walked the "I'm against this Iraq War" walk he's been talking about non-stop, he would have stood up and offered legislation to redirect money back into Afghanistan and al-Qaeda.

But that's not Obama.

If you need someone to make a rousing speech of stirring rhetoric, he's your guy. If you actually want, you know, work done and for someone to stand or fall by the courage of their convictions, look elsewhere. Until the breeze changes direction and then perhaps he'll consider it.

Or just vote Present. If he can get there on time, that is.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. It hard to cut funding once troops are already on the ground. Hillary could have stopped that ....

from happening. She failed to preform her duty as a check to the executive branch.

[ccpup]

26. Hillary alone?

wow! who knew -- in a body of 99 other people (all but one who voted with her, btw) -- had so much power!

Still looking for Obama's walking the walk he's talking and standing by Political Courage.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. She had just as much power as any of the other 99 who are to act as checks and...

...if she wants to be President, she should have been able to show better leadership in that situation and bring "Nay" votes over to her side.

Instead she voted with the masses, and now has to answer to that.

[ccpup]

30. ok

[TeamJordan23]

14. Al Queda is supposedley taking responsibility for the attack.

My guess is that they are not in Iraq.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Exactly

[ClarkUSA]

19. Truth hurts Hillaryworld so they're crying like stuck pigs. What Axelrod said (link & quote):

Today after Barack Obama's closing argument speech in Iowa, Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him
on whether the killing could help Hillary.

Here's one key exchange:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the
war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent,
they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated,
but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_adviser_bhutto_assassination_reminds_us_that_hillary_made_wrong_call_on_iraq_war.php

[killbotfactory]

25. Not only has the Iraq war been a distraction

Everyone with a lick of sense KNEW it would be a distraction before going in. This isn't news, and it shouldn't be controversial.

[Adelante]

34. Exactly right

The truth has a way of discombobulating, don't it?

[annie1]

31. "we see the results (bhutton's assassination) of" ...'the iraq war and hillary's judgement.',....

right after the death of a great leader and friend of hillary's. there is a way to tout his own judgement in a time like this without pointing fingers.

The vote was not to invade iraq and do nothing else over the last 5 years. It was to have the authority to use force if neccessary to find wmd, etc, etc, etc. Barack and Clinton and others who have contiued to vote for funding have equal responsibility in the continuation of this war. and are not responsible for the white house ignoring pakistan. So it is indeed inaccurate.