A genuine concern: Obama chief strategist Axelrod, what if he screws up in the general election?

[DemKR]

We need someone who has experience running campaigns.....Do you know how the Republicans would have a field day when the Obama folks say things without thinking first? Sigh..

[Joe the Revelator]

1. You have GOT to be kidding me.

Really, how transparent can this get today??

[Buzz Clik]

10. They're no longer worried about transparency.

Bitch. Rinse. Repeat.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Like Mark Penn?

:eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

3. Yes I'd MUCH rather have a creep like Mark Penn in control of things

He's done such a good job so far.

[MadBadger]

4. Mark Penn

Nuff said

[TeamJordan23]

5. Yeah, lets throw Penn up on Hardball today and see who would screw what up. nm

[KennedyGuy]

6. No no..musn't question Obamas inexperience now...

Musn't do that..
Not allowed..
Nope..

[KittyWampus]

13. Well, I question Obama AND Hillary's non-experience. Stop pretending Hillary has relevant

experience.


She doesn't.

[calteacherguy]

7. When did he screw up? Did I miss something? nt

[TheWraith]

16. No, you didn't. Don't mind DemKR.

They apparently live in their own little bubble.

[earthlover]

48. Axelrod brought up a valid point....Invading Iraq took our eyes off the ball elsewhere...

such as afghanistan and pakistan, where there were REAL threats of al queda. This is an arguement that was made, by the way, BEFORE the invasion of Iraq. But it did not stop Bush from waging war against Iraq.

Since Hillary, Biden and Edwards voted for the IWR, it would be a valid criticism that shows a lack of judgement on all of their parts. Obama at the time warned against Iraq, and mentioned that it would distract our attention from the real threats in the world.

So Axelrod raised a valid point.

Did Axelrod politicise Bhuto's assassination? It already was politicised by the media, and the specific question Axelrod was asked. Making it sound like Hillary would benefit from the assassination because of her "experience" was politicizing the event. Axelrod did what he could to point out that in the real world mistakes have consequenses. Iraq was a mistake, and it helped destabilize the region. It was out of this destabilization that Bhuto was killed. The really sad thing is that so many of Hillary's Fan Club were so dishonest as to say Axelrod said Hillary killed Bhuto. Leave it to that fan club to twist things around in an Orwellian style.

Now in a few days they will be denying they ever said this about Axelrod. Figures.

[Adelante]

8. What a fucking joke nt

[Nailzberg]

9. Thanks for your "concern"

:boring:

[ClarkUSA]

11. I'd be more concerned about Mark Penn attacking Huckabee's kindergarten ambitions in the GE.

We don't need another idiotic mistake like THAT again.

[KittyWampus]

12. the only one screwing up is YOU. You've totally overplayed this. Hillary already played the death t

to her advantage. She and you are hypocrites.

[TheWraith]

14. As opposed to Tony Blair's favorite boy, Mark Penn? NT

[Pirate Smile]

15. I certainly hope he wouldn't bring up their Kindergarten papers or anything

because that makes a campaign look idiotic.

Can you imagine if they pointed out that the Iraq War diverted attention from our real problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Wow, that would be a disaster, wouldn't it?

:eyes:

[KennedyGuy]

18. They should..they were the most intelligent thing he has put forth

[William769]

17. Luckily for us, he won't get the chance. NT

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

19. Silly post.

[CyberPieHole]

20. If Obama gets the nod and Axelrod is behind him we will lose in the GE...

that's what will happen.

:kick: and recommend

[DemKR]

22. agreed. nt

[MadBadger]

23. Care to explain why genius?

[MadBadger]

24. Care to explain why genius?

[MadBadger]

21. Genuine concern my ass...Nothing more than being a usual Hill shill

[annie1]

39. she's an ass, we're not all like that. hopefully she realizes she does her candidate no favors.

[IndianaJones]

25. legitimate point. nt.

[FreeState]

26. Amazing - all these Obama supporters replies and not one address's the question

It seems its easier to attack he messengers than the message - something thats way to common on here. As someone who does not support Clinton or Obama I can't fathom why anyone would even want to be associated with this type of behavior.

[TankLV]

27. ahh - somebody who GETS IT!

don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain - ignor what he said...

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

34. I am very "concerned" FreeState won't stop.

Ditto what she said.

[FreeState]

41. Excuse me? I wont stop what? Asking why no one addressed the OPS concerns?

Yes please attack me - good god this place is nuts sometimes.

[FreeState]

42. Excuse me? Beating my wife? WTF?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

44. It's an old saw, and admittedly distasteful.

But please, tell me what was wrong with what Axelrod said.

[FreeState]

45. Why are you using it if its distasteful? As someone who has worked with domestic violence victims

its beyond distateful. Its disgusting and vile.

IMO Axelrod should have said "no comment" to the reporter and not answered the question. Same goes for Clintons side as well. A little respect for the dead in time of morning goes a long way.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. I apologize, I should never have used that expression.

As for what Axelrod said, he was asked a direct question and he needed to answer it in a way that reflected well upon his candidate. He did exactly that. Saying "no comment" would have been spun as an example of Obama's "lack of experience". Basically, anything Obama says about it will be spun negatively, since the accepted MSM frame is "Obama lacks experience in foreign policy". Therefore, Axelrod was smart to get a jab in at Sen. Clinton when he had the chance.

As for the Clinton campaign, Evan Bayh made an unsolicited statement about how Bhutto's assassination should be a reminder of Sen. Clinton's foreign policy credentials.

[earthlover]

49. I don't see any Hillary Gagglers criticising Bayh for politicising the death...

Good point!

[LittleClarkie]

28. If I'm looking for someone with experience, I'll go with Biden

.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

29. Personally, I'm concerned about the Wandering Clenis

What if the he screws up in the General Election? I mean, do you know how the Republicans will have a field day when Bill unzips without thinking first?

No really, I'm genuinely concerned about it. :eyes:

[earthlover]

50. Rightly so....even if it would be a false accusation, everyone would believe it

And of course it would serve to remind everyone once again of Hillary's enabling of the errant penis, or at least turning the other way because of fear of political ramifications to her career....

But of course this surprise will be played later....if need be....during the general election. And so predictable. If you are not a member of the Hillary Herd.

[NYCGirl]

30. Axelrod has experience with campaigns...

Richard Daley, Elliot Spitzer, Deval Patrick, and John Edwards.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Wow, what a list of screw-ups! Can't have him involved in a campaign!

;)

[ClarkUSA]

36. self-delete

wrong place on thread

[DemKR]

33. So you approve of his comments?

[MadBadger]

35. Are you talking to yourself?

[bunnies]

52. ....

:spray:

I just doused my desk with my beverage.

[annie1]

37. At some point or another someone is going to be an asshole or make a mistake...

and that goes for everyone's campaigns. Axelrod made an asshole statement. Shaheen made an equally or worse asshole statement. Biden's put his foot in his mouth tons of times. and the same will go for those on the pub side. it's how it goes. don't be foolish.

[LSK]

38. yeah, we dont need people speaking the TRUTH in the General

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

40. What Obama Campaign Manager David Axelrod REALLY said in response in reporters' questioning....

Today after Barack Obama's closing argument speech in Iowa, Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him
on whether the killing could help Hillary.

Here's one key exchange:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the
war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent,
they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated,
but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_adviser_bhutto_assassination_reminds_us_that_hillary_made_wrong_call_on_iraq_war.php

[hayu_lol]

43. This really isn't our problem to solve...

I'm sure the principals will take care of the matter--as they should.

[earthlover]

51. That was a valid point. Something that has been brought out many times before by many folks....

I recall Wes Clark, in 04 making the point that invading Iraq was distracting our attention away from going after al queda in pakistan and afghanistan. This is, and has been, a valid criticism of the Iraq War from the start.

And, since the reporter was asking about Hillary being helped (which already politicised the topic)it was totally apppropriate to point out that the Iraq War had unfortunate consequenses on the spread of terror elsewhere in the Middle East. And it was entirely appropriate in a question asked about Hillary to respond to Hillary's role in endorsing that war by her vote. Although he could have added that Biden and Edwards also voted for the IWR.

So, if you look at experience, compare and contrast Obama's warning at the time that Iraq would distract our attention away from the real terrorists to Hillary's compliance with the most destabilizing event in the Middle East in years.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. All kinds of problems are being attributed to Iraq, and rightly so.

I'm talking domestic stuff. Horrible responses to natural disasters like Katrina/Rita, tornadoes, and wildfires. Extremely porous borders and ports. Critical infrastructure in disrepair all over the country. All because we are diverting massive amounts of money and resources to this bullshit invasion and occupation.

Wes Clark's organization did a series of ads cataloging the issues that are the direct result of Iraq. "Remember, it's because of Iraq"

[Renew Deal]

46. By then, Mark Penn will be working for Obama, so there's no problem.

All Democratic hands will be on deck, including the wisdon of Mark Penn. I can't wait to see him at his best. lol

[many a good man]

53. Why O why do I keep clicking on these threads???

Why?

[Cha]

55. You are so freakin'

disingenous..it's oozing outta your avatar.

[AtomicKitten]

56. thank you for your concern