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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:56 PM
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So pundits opine that Hillary is a "winner" due to Bhutto murder and DUers are pissed at Axelrod?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:02 PM by undercoverduer
I'm uncomfortable with the analysis of the impact that Bhutto's murder will have on the US presidential primary. I'm also uncomfortable with any of the Democrats using this tragedy for politic advantage, HOWEVER I find the outrage at Axelrod to be laughable. These are the times in which we live and EVERYTHING will be viewed politically, Obama's camp is not supposed to sit idly by and let Clinton use this to her political advantage. You can blame the press all you want, but we all know ANY CANDIDATE (not just Hillary) would have leveraged the praise they received on this issue to their advantage.

I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing but I know how the game is played. You can't just sit there and let your opponent get political leverage without speaking up.

Political strategists for every candidate spent the entire day trying to figure out how to manage this situation, especially to their advantage.

ON M'FING EDIT: A number of DUers are sincerely upset about the situation, BUT UNFORTUNATELY A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DUers could care less and their outrage on this issue is feigned for political purposes. Yeah I said it, so live with it!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 05:59 PM
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1. honestly? this sucks f/Clinton. She's got no foreign policy experience & it draws attention
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:00 PM by cryingshame
to the ME.

But then all three "top tier" Dem candidates haven't any experience to run on in the foreign policy dept.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:00 PM
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2. You hit the nail on the head. It brings the Middle East back to the front page.
:thumbsup:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:05 PM
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8. Exactly.
I am so sick of the fucking media.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:01 PM
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3. Axelrod's mistake, in my opinion,
was inserting Hillary -- by name -- into an answer to a question that didn't require it, thereby creating an unnecessary firestorm where there hadn't been one.

To have made a statement burnishing Obama's credentials, referring to what Bhutto said about him not long ago (or at least I think she said something about him long ago), even how Obama perhaps understands how something like this could happen or how he feels deeply for her family and supporters ... any of those would have been preferable to what was ultimately said and is now being widely regarded as an unnecessary cheap shot at his main opponent. And only days before the Iowa Caucus.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:03 PM
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4. When you are a week away from the Iowa Caucus and your opponent (Hillary) is getting praise. . .
. . .you have to respond directly.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:07 PM
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10. but if one is selling the politics of Hope and Change
is there perhaps a better way of responding? Allowing her to get her praise -- and not responding to it or acknowledging it, but burnishing your own candidate's qualities -- is going to make less news than taking an unnecessary cheap shot at her.

What would have been -- with regards to Hillary -- a story for a day or two (perhaps) has the potential now, unfortunately for Obama, to be much more. Axelrod, in my opinion, not only handed the MSM the gasoline, but lit the damn match! And he's a Chief Campaign Strategist?!
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:09 PM
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12. With 7 days until Iowa a day or two is a lifetime. . .your feigned outrage is laughable
:kick:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:48 PM
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23. feigned outrage?
are you kidding me? I wish David Axelrod would open his pie-hole MORE on national TV. If he's the best Obama's got, I say put him out in public more often.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:50 PM
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25. I would David Axelrod up against Mark Penn any day
:kick:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:19 PM
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26. the question was about whether Hillary will benefit from this. why wouldn't she be in the answer
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 07:20 PM by JackORoses
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 07:30 PM
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27. Because she is untouchable
:sarcasm:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:04 PM
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5. Apparently, only opinions that suggest a "Bhutto bounce" for Hillary are acceptable.
:puke:
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:05 PM
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7. Yeah I don't understand how that is tasteful and Axelrod's comments aren't
:kick:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:12 PM
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15. Pssst, Hillary was already bouncing......
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:05 PM
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6. Yep, it's fine to use this tragedy if you are an establishment candidate
If you point out that the Iraq war was responsible for distracting us from the fight against the SAME PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED THE ASSASSINATION, it's totally unfair and reprehensible.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:08 PM
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11. We don't know who killed her..........
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:09 PM by 1corona4u
why don't you just wait untitl all of the fucking FACTS come out!!!!!! I'm not buying the Al Queda BS. Musharraf had the most to gain!!


Jesusfuckingchrist.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:05 PM
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9. it's so sick that people need to figure who benefits from it. it's a loss, a huge loss. :(
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:10 PM
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13. DU is for people with the sickness
And I don't mean that in a bad way. People here were talking about the political affects of Reagan dieing before he even died. Politics is a game. Today, Bhutto is a football. I know that's crude, but that's it.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:11 PM
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14. You are so UNFORTUNATELY right. . .
. . .its life and death, but sadly its also a game.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:35 PM
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19. You've got that right
Her body wasn't even cold before people were getting quaffed for the cameras to say how many times they met her...

:puke:

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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:38 PM
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21. But, but, but Axelrod is the bad guy in all of this
:kick:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:19 PM
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16. K&R
:kick:
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:31 PM
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17. Thank you
:kick:
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:33 PM
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18. The same people that decry
the manipulations and general suckage of the MSM seem to be more than happy to be lead around by their nose by them today.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:35 PM
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20. Yup the outrage at MSM is feigned and manufactured because. . .
. . .it only seems to pop up when its politically expedient.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:47 PM
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22. Kinda like
the DLC, cluster bombs, NAFTA, and the Iraq War I guess.
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undercoverduer Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:50 PM
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24. Yup
:kick:
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