Homophobes must feel comfortable on Hillary's web site and payroll

[zulchzulu]

There have been a few threads about Barack Obama and the Donnie McClurkin incident. McClurkin had performed at one concert in Colombia, South Carolina and Obama was not present at the event, which is not what some have decided was the best way to lie about the event.

Obama did give a statement about McClurkin's views:

"I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.

I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin's views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division."

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Obama's record on LGBT issues: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

However, despite this incident, why does the Hillary Clinton campaign get a free pass with their homophobic support?

Some declared homophobes are not only on Hillary's web site, one is even getting paid $10,000 a month by the campaign and two others are co-chairs on the Clinton South Carolina team.

There's Rev. Harold Mayberry:

I'm comfortable in what I believe in. I'm not rejecting people. As God loves, we love. I don't reject thieves, I reject thievery.

He's talking about homosexuality as thievery. Oh, but wait! He's on Hillary's web site: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2857

There's Darrell Jackson, who made this statement regarding his opposition to same-sex marriage and has renegotiated a nice $10,000 contract with the Clinton team:

Now, we know how we feel on this issue, and I've allowed my position to be known more than anybody else. I stand here as someone who is a pastor to a congregation of a whole lot of people, and I've said it to them and I'll say it to anyone else. My personal moral position is what I believe and what I subscribe to. I don't have to come here and try to legislate it...There is little doubt in this body what will ultimately happen with that issue. That is a forgone conclusion.

http://www.scstatehouse.net/sess116_2005-2006/sj05/20050413.htm

He's also on the Hillary web site endorsing her: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=1339

Then there's Clinton's South Carolina co-chairs, John Matthews and Linda Short. Both voted for the bill in South Carolina to ban same-sex marriage.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1007/Gay_rights_in_SC_contd.html

Then there's Bill Clinton, who signed the hateful, anti-gay rights Defense of Marriage Act into federal law, campaigning for Hillary Clinton openly.



Both he and Hillary were openly for the Act at the time of his signature. Add the anti-gay "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" legislation.

So where is the outrage?

[jakem]

1. the outrage is here...

it is just being drowned out by the bs...

[FreeState]

2. Obama: Give gays a SET of basic rights

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

What kind of BS is that? A Set? No Mr. "Change" I want all of them. Each and every right. Im supporting one of two candidates that support me fully as a US Citizen.

[aquart]

7. You're kidding. "A set"??? Uh, if they're citizens, they OWN those rights.

They are guaranteed with no caveat about sexual preference. Send Obama a copy of the constitution.

UGH! What a ...gated community type of thing to say. So...separate.

[FredScuttle]

11. Hey Obama.....you know what doesn't cause discrimination?

1) Upholding the laws in the Constitution protecting all of our civil rights

2) Not supporting and pandering to bigots

[zulchzulu]

13. Talk about focusing on a word...

As much as I'm for gay marriage, I understand how the "set" of both domestic partnerships and civil unions MUST happen first and will under an Obama administration. It will have to be incremental and eventually be fully open marriage for all with full marriage rights to same-sex couples.

Kucinich is not going to be President. You can vote for him, but you can also count on the fact he will not be the nominee.

[FreeState]

16. Separate is never equal. A set is never the full thing

Im sorry I do not agree and will never settle for less than 100% of my rights. I doubt Obama would have ever said the same thing if he were referring to inter-racial marriage.

But eh "Equal" is just a word... </sarcasm>

[Dawgs]

66. Obama feels the same way as you, which is why I support him over Hillary, Edwards, and Kucinich.

Hillary and Edwards are both against gay marriage. Hillary because it doesn't poll well, and Edwards because he doesn't feel it's right. Kucinich is right, but he will never realisticly pass any gay marriage bill.

The only path to gay marriage is the one Obama supports, which is civil unions as a path to gay marriage.

[MuseRider]

27. Ahhhh, well THAT will make everything just fine.

La Di Da Di Da. Those people just have to wait to get the complete "set" of rights huh? Maybe he would let them pay just part of their taxes? No? Hmmmm. Jesus H Christ. I can't even believe this crap.

[FredScuttle]

3. Thanks for opening this back up for discussion

I have a few questions:

1) Why did Obama decide an "ex-gay" clown bigot was the best choice to headline his South Carolina campaign event?
2) Why did Obama reject the input of countless LGBT activists and groups, including the head of the Human Rights Campaign, who told him this would be a titanic insult to gays and lesbians?
3) If Obama wanted to disassociate himself from Rev. McClosetCase, why did he show a video at the campaign event welcoming this "ex-gay" clown to the event?
4) Why hasn't Obama apologized for the homophobic filth this "ex-gay" clown spewed at the event? This clown declared "God delivered me from homosexuality"...why hasn't Obama apologized for giving this bigot a microphone and a stage to deliver those hateful remarks?
5) What did Obama's campaign mean when they released a statement that Rev. McClosetCase "does not want to change gays and lesbians who are happy with their lives"? http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-issues-3-page-memo-explaining.html

and, finally...

6) Given all the information in your OP about homophobes in the Clinton campaign, are you saying that Obama is every bit the homophobe-supporter and bigotry-panderer that Hillary is?

[Joe the Revelator]

5. So instead of answering the questions about your own candidate, you play the hypocrisy card,

and refuse to even acknowledge that your candidate is actually PAYING people monthly who you got so outraged over when it came to Obama.

Do you not see how absurd that is?

[FredScuttle]

8. Whose own candidate?

If you think I'm supporting HRC in the primaries, you are sorely mistaken. She's easily at the bottom of my list of candidates to support. I am, at the moment, undecided, but the whole McClurkin debacle has shown me that Obama is far from the "progressive, anti-politics-as-usual" candidate he professes to be. He, like any other politician, has shown an eager willingness to grovel and pander to bigots and morons for those sweet, sweet primary votes.

Now, will I get answers to my questions or more obfuscation and evasion from Obama supporters?

[aquart]

9. Oh. Money is the difference?

Freely donated bigotry is okey dokey? You might want to be real careful about playing that "hypocrisy card." Especially since you don't seem to be too up on the game.

[ClarkUSA]

14. Red herring. The difference is between the outrage at Obama v. the shrug at Hillary's Homophobes

That's where the hypocrisy is and always has been at GDP.

[FredScuttle]

20. Is this thread indicative of the "shrug" at homophobia in the Clinton campaign?

I've seen many threads by Obama supporters bringing up the homophobes and bigots in the HRC campaign...bully for that.

But that doesn't excuse Obama openly courting and embracing a bigot and giving that bigot a microphone and a stage to spew homophobic filth. Right?

[ClarkUSA]

12. The only "outrage" you have is towards Obama. Nothing towards Clinton... hmm...

Very interesting.

[FredScuttle]

17. What's interesting is Obama supporters having no problem calling Obama and Hillary the same

when it comes to hating on LGBT folk. My outrage stems from the fact that Obama is, at this writing, the only Democratic candidate to hire an "ex-gay" clown to be the star of his campaign event in a key primary state. And not have the decency or humanity to apologize for the homphobic filth his "ex-gay" clown friend spewed at the event.

When Hillary features an "ex-gay" clown at one of her concerts, I will be outraged about that as well. In the meantime, are you purporting that there's no difference between Hillary and Obama when it comes to courting bigots?

[annie1]

4. lol! REACH!

[Joe the Revelator]

6. How so?

Back it up. Don't drive by post.

[FreeState]

10. I think most people realize there is a difference between

having paid staff that are anti-gay but don't voice this at events and giving and anti-gay preacher a microphone at your event.

I don't see Clintons phobe's using spiritual terrorism at campaign events - yet alone at a campaign events where children are present.

(BTW Im for Kucinich - just saying what I think the poster was referring to).

[ClarkUSA]

15. So having homophobes on the payroll behind the scenes is okay, right? No outrage there.

Okay, I understand now. :crazy:

[FreeState]

18. Did you read what I wrote?

I did not say either was fine - in fact I referred to "Clintons phobes" for Christ sake - I was pointing out however the Obama's actions were much more dangerous to GLBT persons than Clintons IMO. I grew up in an anti-gay church I know first hand the damage these preachers do to the innocent.

[zulchzulu]

35. The homophobes on Hillary's web site ARE preachers

You mention how they prey on the innocent, no pun intended. One of these preachers is on Hillary's payroll.

You can't be serious that one lousy concert where one guy performed with three other acts in some small town in South Carolina is more dangerous that these preachers, who have their flocks of thousands.

It's bordering on McCarthyism to brand Obama a homophobe based on one lousy concert. His 12 years with a solid legislative record supporting the LGBT community are all washed away from one concert? That is probably the most sickening thing about all this.

[ruggerson]

36. Can you tell us about Obama's record with gay youth?

that, after all, is what much of this controversy boils down to.

I'd be interested what he's done in this area: what groups he's worked for and what legislation he's proposed.

I'm not being facetious, I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

[zulchzulu]

45. Well, since you asked...

Here's some of Obama's many efforts regarding LGBT issues:

“Most of us do believe that gay couples should be able to visit each other in the hospital and share health care
benefits; most of us do believe that they should be treated with dignity and have their privacy respected by the
federal government.”


Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against homosexuals constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. Barack Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to reach violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, or physical disability. As a state senator, Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.

Fight Workplace Discrimination: Barack Obama believes the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees’ domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with no federal legal remedy. Obama also sponsored and passed legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Promote Gay and Lesbian Rights: Barack Obama supported legislation in the Illinois State Senate to prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation in housing and public accommodations.

Support Full Civil Unions: Barack Obama supports civil unions that give gay couples full rights, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits currently extended to traditional married couples, and the same property rights as anyone else.

Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage: Barack Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples. “We are better than this. And we certainly owe the American people more than this. I know that this amendment will fail, and when it does, I hope we can start discussing issues and offering proposals that will actually improve the lives of most Americans.” (Barack Obama on the Senate floor regarding the Federal Marriage Amendment, June 5, 2006)

Repeal Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell: Barack Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in consultation with military commanders. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 Paid for by Obama for America language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. Obama will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals.

Expand Adoption Rights. Barack Obama believes that homosexuals should have the same adoption rights as heterosexuals.

Fight AIDS Worldwide: There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. Every day, AIDS kills 8,000 and HIV infects 6,000 more people. The disease is set to become the third-leading cause of death worldwide in the coming years. Barack Obama has been a global leader in the fight against AIDS. He traveled to Kenya and took a public HIV test to encourage testing and reduce the stigma of the disease.

Promote AIDS Prevention: Barack Obama believes that we cannot ignore that abstinence and fidelity may too often be the ideal and not the reality. Obama went to a large evangelical conference in 2006 to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle. At this conservative Christian event, Obama pushed for a balanced approach to fighting the disease that includes condom distribution. In late 2006, Barack Obama worked to reauthorize the Ryan White CARE Act, which is one of the largest sources of federal funds for primary health care and support services for patients with HIV/AIDS. The bill was named after Ryan White, an Indiana teenager whose courageous struggle with HIV/AIDS helped educate the nation.

Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. Barack Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.

http://www.outfordemocracy.org/docs/2008/obamahrcresponse.pdf

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLhf1YGViyQ

[FredScuttle]

51. Interesting.....please answer one of the following:

1) Why did Obama decide an "ex-gay" clown bigot was the best choice to headline his South Carolina campaign event?
2) Why did Obama reject the input of countless LGBT activists and groups, including the head of the Human Rights Campaign, who told him this would be a titanic insult to gays and lesbians?
3) If Obama wanted to disassociate himself from Rev. McClosetCase, why did he show a video at the campaign event welcoming this "ex-gay" clown to the event?
4) Why hasn't Obama apologized for the homophobic filth this "ex-gay" clown spewed at the event? This clown declared "God delivered me from homosexuality"...why hasn't Obama apologized for giving this bigot a microphone and a stage to deliver those hateful remarks?
5) What did Obama's campaign mean when they released a statement that Rev. McClosetCase "does not want to change gays and lesbians who are happy with their lives"? http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-issues-3-page -...

and, finally...

6) Given all the information in your OP about homophobes in the Clinton campaign, are you saying that Obama is every bit the homophobe-supporter and bigotry-panderer that Hillary is?

[ruggerson]

52. zulch, I'm very aware of what his positions are

and that he voted for an Illinois state version of ENDA, which is commendable. ANd that he voted for hate crime legislation in Illinois, which is also commendable.

But, there are literally thousands and thousands of Democratic state representatives and state senators who can make the same claim. This is not earth shattering. 80-90% of the public supports workplace and housing protections. Ditto with hate crimes.

What I'd like to know is did he ever write any legislation himself that helped gay children?

Did he ever work with any organizations when he was a community activist that dealt with gay and lesbian people of color? Specifically youth organizations.

Most Democrats sponsor and co-sponsor and vote for various laudatory bills every day. That's great, but that doesn't really tell me anything that differentiates him from any of the other people running.

I'd like a little more meat to find out what makes him tick.

[FreeState]

38. and they openly preach hate at Clinton campaign events? n/t

[zulchzulu]

48. If they are preaching at their church and saying they support Hillary...

...then you tell me the answer.

Frankly, I find this whole McClurkin episode more along the line of McCarthyistic bullshit than anything. Obama's solid dozen years as a legislator supporting LGBT rights and issues and getting 100% backing from LGBT groups can all be washed by one concert he didn't attend where one performer out of three groups performed who he felt was not correct in his views. One concert in a small town with one performer who, if you actually watch the video of when he performed, said he didn't hate gays and that he loves everyone.

I know...facts...honesty...not exactly familiar stuff for some people who would rather lie about Obama to get people to vote for someone else...all based on a lie.

[FredScuttle]

50. Answer one of these questions, please

1) Why did Obama decide an "ex-gay" clown bigot was the best choice to headline his South Carolina campaign event?
2) Why did Obama reject the input of countless LGBT activists and groups, including the head of the Human Rights Campaign, who told him this would be a titanic insult to gays and lesbians?
3) If Obama wanted to disassociate himself from Rev. McClosetCase, why did he show a video at the campaign event welcoming this "ex-gay" clown to the event?
4) Why hasn't Obama apologized for the homophobic filth this "ex-gay" clown spewed at the event? This clown declared "God delivered me from homosexuality"...why hasn't Obama apologized for giving this bigot a microphone and a stage to deliver those hateful remarks?
5) What did Obama's campaign mean when they released a statement that Rev. McClosetCase "does not want to change gays and lesbians who are happy with their lives"? http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-issues-3-page -...

and, finally...

6) Given all the information in your OP about homophobes in the Clinton campaign, are you saying that Obama is every bit the homophobe-supporter and bigotry-panderer that Hillary is?

[FreeState]

60. Excuse me?

If they are preaching at their church and saying they support Hillary...then you tell me the answer.

So church is now a campaign event if the preacher endorces someone? Give me a break. You know full well there is a huge difference. If any church wants to spout hate thats fine and with in their rights - but I will not support a candidate that lets hate be spewed at his event without apologizing.

.... Obama's solid dozen years as a legislator supporting LGBT rights and issues and getting 100% backing from LGBT groups can all be washed...

HRC Legislative record: http://www.hrc.org/laws_and_elections/your_elected_officials.asp?state=IL&x=13&y=0&view=myofficials

Note its not 100% and thats from the largest gay rights group in the nation.

by one concert he didn't attend where one performer out of three groups performed who he felt was not correct in his views. One concert in a small town with one performer who, if you actually watch the video of when he performed, said he didn't hate gays and that he loves everyone. I know...facts...honesty...not exactly familiar stuff for some people who would rather lie about Obama to get people to vote for someone else...all based on a lie.

You might want to get your facts right first before you say you know them:

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2007/11/obamas-anti-gay.html

This past weekend, the Illinois Democratic senator's presidential campaign announced a three-day, gospel music campaign tour through South Carolina it billed as "Embrace the Courage" featuring four singers - Reverend Donnie McClurkin, Mary Mary (a sister act duo), and Reverend Hezekiah Walker, all prominent in the gospel world. The tour was designed to mark the final days of Obama's "40 Days of Faith and Family" campaign in South Carolina, a critical early primary state.

But it's not only McClurkin whose star presence on the Obama campaign tour is repulsive. Walker (left), another Grammy Award-winner who is the Pentecostal pastor of a Brooklyn mega-church, the Love Fellowship Tabernacle, has been described as "disturbingly and publicly anti-gay" by "hip-hop intellectual" Professor Mark Lamont Hill of Temple University. (Walker likes to call himself the "hip-hop pastor" for having recorded with Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs, a member of his church.)

And the Mary Mary sisters (right) compare gays to murderers and prostitutes. In an interview with Vibe magazine, one of the singers said, "They have issues and need somebody to encourage them like everybody else - just like the murderer, just like the one full of pride, just like the prostitute."

[FredScuttle]

40. Have you ever asked yourself

why would Obama throw away "12 years with a solid legislative record supporting the LGBT community" just to spotlight, as his star attraction, an "ex-gay" clown to spew homophobic filth?

How can you take ANYTHING this guy says seriously after a debacle like that?

[Dawgs]

68. Because he didn't spotlight an "ex-gay" clown to spew homophobic filth.

He spotlighted him as a christian singer.

But, go ahead and spin.

[Dawgs]

67. He gave McClurkin the microphone as a christian singer.

Your spin on this gives you no credibility.

BTW, Obama was wrong to use him, but you're implying that he used him to AS A HOMOPHOBE is flat out wrong.

[K Gardner]

19. Why does HRC say she won't repeal the Defense of Marriage Act?

Is she anti-gay marriage? I didn't know that.

[FreeState]

21. Only Gravel and Kucinich are pro Equality n/t

[Kucinich4America]

30. You really think she would repeal something that Bill signed into law?

That will happen right after they install central heating in Hell.

[ruggerson]

22. But, but, but... I thought you guys have been whispering all along that Hillary is a lesbian

Which is it?

[FredScuttle]

24. Hillary is a lesbian...

but because Saint Obama is so benevolent and kind, he's going to set her up with Rev. Donnie for some "ex-gay" healing. Praise Jesus!

[ruggerson]

25. She can't sing though

Maybe "Mary Mary" can give her lessons on how to sing AND be a "real" woman.

[FredScuttle]

26. True....she wouldn't be of much use in Rev. Donnie's "ex-gay" choir

n/t

[Dhalgren]

23. I hold both Clinton and Obama in contempt for their attitudes, behaviors,

and positions regarding GLBT citizens. And they are citizens! Full citizens! Obama and Clinton both need to remember that little fact..

[readmoreoften]

28. Funny, you never responded to my post, even though it had over 70 recs. Care to now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2500141

[ruggerson]

32. None of the usual suspects responded to your post

not a single one who regularly defends Obama with such brave fierceness responded to your post about why they "ex-gay" movement and other fundamentalist religious groups pose such an immediate life and death threat to so many gay youth.

They don't give a flying fuck about gay youth, you see. They only really care about this issue insofar as how it negatively affects their presidential candidate.

[FreeState]

34. They don't give a flying fuck about gay youth... They only really care about their candidate

Sad but true. Somehow its better to defend bigotry for cash and votes than care about those who's life its effecting. GLBT youth in American have it very hard - and its disgusting to me that all these "highly moral" candidates throw them under the bus.

[FredScuttle]

41. Your thread was the most insightful and well-spoken treatise on this issue

no wonder the bigotry-apologists supporting Obama avoided it like the plague.

[Dawgs]

69. Why would we avoid it?

We all admit that Obama was wrong, but we also know he is better on GLBT issues than any other candidate, including Kucinich.

[sandnsea]

29. Hypocrites - DU is full of hypocrites n/t

[FredScuttle]

53. Hypocrisy excuses Obama hiring an "ex-gay" clown to headline his campaign event?

wow....I'm going to use hypocrisy as an excuse the next time I exhibit a similar departure from common decency and respect for my fellow man.

"Hey officer...yeah, I'm drunk and driving and I have a 14 year old girl in my car....but Hillary voted for the IWR!!!"

[ruggerson]

54. rofl

n/t

[FredScuttle]

57. Just one example.....

"Your Honor....I had every intention to pay my child support instead of betting on the fucking Redskins to cover the goddamn spread against the Patriots. In my defense, may I just point out that John Edwards has a 40,000 sq. ft. house and he paid $400 for a haircut?"

"Officer, you must understand that I don't know how the crystal meth packet got into the pocket of the pre-teen you found in my car...did you know that Bill Richardson once lied about playing for the Pittsburgh Pirates?"

"Jesus, Lord, I never truly believed in a Heaven, but now that I'm here and you're judging my application to be accepted into God's Kingdom for eternity, let me just say this in my defense....Dennis Kucinich claimed he saw a fucking UFO! Crazy, right?!!!"

[Kucinich4America]

31. The solution is simple: Don't vote for EITHER of those homophobes

Vote for the only (sane) candidate who will settle for nothing less than full equality. Vote for Dennis Kucinich.

[zulchzulu]

44. So Obama is a homophobe?

His statements against what McClurkin has said in the past are quite the opposite. I don't actually expect honest dialogue with you on this...just pointing out your obvious distortion on the facts.

Good luck with that Kucinich thing...

[FredScuttle]

49. Answer any one of these questions, please

1) Why did Obama decide an "ex-gay" clown bigot was the best choice to headline his South Carolina campaign event?
2) Why did Obama reject the input of countless LGBT activists and groups, including the head of the Human Rights Campaign, who told him this would be a titanic insult to gays and lesbians?
3) If Obama wanted to disassociate himself from Rev. McClosetCase, why did he show a video at the campaign event welcoming this "ex-gay" clown to the event?
4) Why hasn't Obama apologized for the homophobic filth this "ex-gay" clown spewed at the event? This clown declared "God delivered me from homosexuality"...why hasn't Obama apologized for giving this bigot a microphone and a stage to deliver those hateful remarks?
5) What did Obama's campaign mean when they released a statement that Rev. McClosetCase "does not want to change gays and lesbians who are happy with their lives"? http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-issues-3-page -...

and, finally...

6) Given all the information in your OP about homophobes in the Clinton campaign, are you saying that Obama is every bit the homophobe-supporter and bigotry-panderer that Hillary is?

[Perry Logan]

33. Hillary polls well amongst gays. How can they be so stupid?

[Kurovski]

61. Uninformed does not equal stupid.

The Clinton (failed) policy on gays in the military, pushed by Clinton at the beginning of his presidency, forever branded the Clintons as "gay-friendly" and "liberal" from the start.

This queer don't buy the brand any more, the price is high and the quality poor.

[MethuenProgressive]

37. "Yes, Obama is a Homophobe, but Clinton hires them!" - ObamaBots

Obama crawled into bed with the bigot wing of his church, and ObamaNation celebrates.
Justifying his homophopia by accusing another candidate is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Disgusting, as usual.

[Name removed]

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[FredScuttle]

47. Hey coward!

Are you going to answer my questions or continue ducking the issue just like Obama?

[sandnsea]

58. And using hyperbolic language

"crawls into bed" which I don't know why gay people don't see the negative innuendo in that and reject it as well.

[FredScuttle]

59. As compared to "God delivered me from homosexuality"?

Oh yeah, completely the same. :wtf:

[Name removed]

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[ruggerson]

43. Fred

what it all comes down to is that you and I and most of the gay community are more concerned with what happens to gay kids than we are with whether Barack Obama wins the White House.

The Obama supporters we've been discussing this topic with for months are more concerned with Barack Obama getting into the WH than they are with gay and lesbian teens.

So, on our part, this is all about what we perceive as a black and white issue: Barack Obama orchestrated a campaign event that exploited bigotry and damaged people, especially gay kids.

On their part, this is all about damage control for a presidential campaign event that went horribly wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.

[FredScuttle]

46. I hear you

It pains me to no end to keep typing "ex-gay" clowns in these threads, but that's nothing compared to the pain my LGBT brothers and sisters must have endured by this whole disgusting episode. Obama made a political calculation...he figured he could withstand the negative blowback of hiring an "ex-gay" bigot to clown it up for him in a key primary state and deal with the fallout from the LGBT community....however, he may not have anticipated that straight Democrats (like me), who abhor bigotry and intolerance, would be absolutely insulted by this craven pander to bigotry and ignorance as well. Unless more of us straight Dems speak up, Obama's campaign can just write the negative reaction off as "a group of fruits just bitching as usual"

This was a grave and bitter insult to anyone, gay or straight. Obama and his campaign need to know that and he needs to apologize for this insult ASAP.

[ruggerson]

55. You would think that most people, gay or straight

would perceive this as a "bitter insult" and see it for what it was: cynical exploitation of bigotry. But for the diehard Obama supporters, his ascension to the White House evidently trumps concerns over blatant prejudice.

[FredScuttle]

56. "Hope" is a funny thing

This is excusable, but the garden-variety pandering exhibited by other candidates requires a lynching in the public square. :eyes:

[zulchzulu]

62. Hillary's happily payrolled homophobes don't bother you

The McCarthyistic tendency of some to throw out 12 years of solid pro-LGBT legislation by Obama because of a concert in a small town with a guy who split the performance with three other acts. That's the shame of all this.

[terrya]

64. You just don't understand how offensive this "ex-gay" shit is, do you?

You really don't understand how horrible, how insulting, how abusive, how truly evil this "ex-gay" movement is and the people who shill for it. You're right...Barack Obama does have a pretty decent record on GLBT rights. As a state senator in Illinois, he co-sponsored a state version of ENDA and Illinois' gay rights bill, FINALLY passed last year. And that's so diappointing, so sad, about this McClurkin thing. That a man who is, indeed, a pretty decent guy on GLBT rights would give a voice to this vile, hatemongering crap.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Fred, except for the subject line, this is an excellent post:

Answer any one of these questions....please:


1) Why did Obama decide an "ex-gay" clown bigot was the best choice to headline his South Carolina campaign event?
2) Why did Obama reject the input of countless LGBT activists and groups, including the head of the Human Rights Campaign, who told him this would be a titanic insult to gays and lesbians?
3) If Obama wanted to disassociate himself from Rev. McClosetCase, why did he show a video at the campaign event welcoming this "ex-gay" clown to the event?
4) Why hasn't Obama apologized for the homophobic filth this "ex-gay" clown spewed at the event? This clown declared "God delivered me from homosexuality"...why hasn't Obama apologized for giving this bigot a microphone and a stage to deliver those hateful remarks?
5) What did Obama's campaign mean when they released a statement that Rev. McClosetCase "does not want to change gays and lesbians who are happy with their lives"? http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-issues-3-page -...

and, finally...

6) Given all the information in your OP about homophobes in the Clinton campaign, are you saying that Obama is every bit the homophobe-supporter and bigotry-panderer that Hillary is?
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ObamaNation has no answers, so they strike out like rats in a trap.
At least the rats are acting bravely.

[IndianaJones]

65. are you guys abandoning the "Clinton is a lesbian" meme now? nt.