Clinton vows to keep it 'positive'

[Evergreen Emerald]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071229/NEWS/71229009

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A reporter told her that Obama has suggested that her foreign policy experience amounts to having tea with foreign leaders and that Democrat Christopher Dodd said experience is akin to First Lady Laura Bush’s: witnessing experience, not having it.

Asked if that’s sexism, Clinton answered that she’s happy to talk about her experience, from working for peace in Northern Ireland to standing up for women’s rights in Beijing.

“In eight years in the White House, I was very privileged to represent our country on many different occasions in more than 80 countries. I was there on behalf as both the president and the diplomatic team that conveyed America’s values across the world.”

Another reporter said Obama has said the Democrats are less likely to win back the White House if they start off with someone who half the country doesn’t like.

She said Democratic nominee will have to withstand “the Republican attack machine.”

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[gaiilonfong]

1. DesmoineRegister= In the tank for Hillary

Hillary will act positive, but behind the scenes there will be the push-polls, surrogates race-baiting etc. etc.
Where there is Howard wolfson, there is no positive campaign.

[Cha]

23. hillary can SAY she'll

be "positive" but her surrogates dragging her campaign down in the gutter is what descibes hillary.

She must think people are so fucking stupid to believe her endless bullshit.

[Mass]

2. Will she keep her surrogates positive? Because she would have to be stupid to become negative

when she has hired guns doing the job for her.

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. you mean like Axelrod did the other day

when he suggested that Clinton's IWR vote contributed to the death of Bhutto?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. May I Fix That

you mean like Axelrod did the other day when he suggested that Clinton's IWR vote contributed to the death of her friend and role model, Benazir Bhutto

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. exactly. It was personal.

[ClarkUSA]

16. Axelrod did nothing of the sort. That's Hillary's latest victim card to distract from her IWR vote.

Y'all nver stop with the Rovian spin factor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Truth Hurts

~

[Mass]

25. " friend and role model" ? And you want to have me believe that Obama is the one exploiting the

situation? Please!

I think that Axelrod should not have said that, but, honestly, you are the only one I have seen saying that Bhutto was Clinton's friend and role model, and I am still waiting for something telling me that there is more than a relationship between two high level politicians between those two. In politics, the use of the word " friend" is definitively a very loose one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. See Pages 271-272 And 275 Of "Living History"

Hillary goes into great detail about her amdiration for the now martyred Benazir Bhutto...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. I have a lot of admiration for Gwen Stefani

I guess she's my "friend and personal role model" now. :eyes:

[avrdream]

32. Point is that Hillary wrote those words YEARS before it was popular

to know Bhutto.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. And I was a No Doubt fan years before anyone heard of Gwen. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Guess You Didn't Read The Cited Pages

~

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. I guess you've never read my heartfelt fan letters to Gwen either.

[sniffa]

7. or like Bob Kerrey, Shaheen, Evan Bayh, and some Iowa staff

[annie1]

11. evan bayh didn't go negative. don't lump him in with Shaheen please.

[sniffa]

13. oh, was that keeping it positive?

[ClarkUSA]

21. Nah, he just used Bhutto's death to boost Hillary's candidacy. Classy!

:thumbsup:

[annie1]

24. both you are sniffa are nothing but black and white. against hillary, pro-whatever else...

so there is no real point in anything you say.

[sniffa]

26. truth hurts

BAM! i can do that stupid shit too. :woohoo:

[ClarkUSA]

34. Nothing to say about Bayh's pimping Hillary's candidacy before Bhutto's body was even cold, eh?

Attack, attack, attack. :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

14. FACT CHECK: What Obama Campaign Manager David Axelrod REALLY said (quotes and video links)

Today after Barack Obama's closing argument speech in Iowa, Obama adviser David Axelrod parried questions from reporters who pressed him
on whether the killing could help Hillary.

Here's one key exchange:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the
war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent,
they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved -- we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated,
but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this.

I think his judgment was good. Senator Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/obama_adviser_bhutto_assassination_reminds_us_that_hillary_made_wrong_call_on_iraq_war.php

"Axelrod: US took eye off Pakistan" (video): http://video.aol.com/video-detail/axelrod-us-took-eye-off-pakistan/2137898736

[annie1]

15. still gross.

[ClarkUSA]

18. I like what he said. What's gross is the twisted "victim" spin coming out of Hillaryworld.

Guess that's all Hillaryworlders have got when being confronted with questions about the GODAWFUL JUDGMENT that went into
Hillary's neocon warmongering blank check vote for Bush war.

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. you crack me up--do you not know what you are posting?

You prove the point every time!

"Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the
war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that."

We see the effect of that: the death of Bhutto. Dang! YOu cannot see it?

[Lurking Dem]

28. Uh, yeah, we do see it.

And most of us said at the time that leaving bin Laden in the mountains and going into Iraq was a bad, bad, BAD idea that would only lead to more terrorists.

As some have posted today, though, they think that was an okay decision.

[ClarkUSA]

36. Exactly, Lurking Dem.

Thank you for so succinctly summing it up in a nutshell. :thumbsup:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. Since Sen. Clinton is not the only one who voted for the IWR, how is he blaming her?

Although, if you really want to put the meme that "Hillary killed Benazir" out there, knock yourself out. :shrug:

[ClarkUSA]

37. lol!

You're good. ;-)

[ClarkUSA]

35. Spin, spin, spin -- y'all are desperate to distract from Hillary's politically expedient IWR vote.

Too bad none of us non-Clinton Kool-Aide drinkers are buying the latest draw from Hillary's deck of victim cards.

[Whisp]

4. ""conveyed America’s values across the world""

and what are those exactly? NAFTA, etc.? cluster bombs? wars and police actions? assassinations? depleted urainium? Iraqi genocide since Bush1 war?

or is she talking about that big american apple pie paved with gold for the 1%ers?

does anyone really fall for this shit anymore?

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. you may want to review her record.

[sniffa]

10. isn't there a large screed you're supposed to paste in there?

:shrug:

[jakem]

9. positively Carville. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. so, you don't like positive?

that is playing dirty politics?

[jakem]

17. Wickipedia on Carville

G. Gordon Liddy played a major role in developing these tactics during the Nixon playing an important advisory of rules that lead to the campaign of 1972. James Carville, mastermind of Bill Clinton's election, is also a major proponent of negative tactics. Lee Atwater, best known for being an advisor to presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, also pioneered many negative campaign techniques seen in political campaigns today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning

[Tactical Progressive]

22. Oh, I hope not

The only way you deal with people who fight from the gutter, like Obama, is to get into the gutter with them.

I know it's not fun, but it's good practice for Publican-fighting politics.

[Cameron27]

29. Unfortunately she gets labeled as an attacker

when she does that, while Obama's attacks continue to be painted as defense,

[Tactical Progressive]

38. that's true

The media has been boxing her in. Can't talk about being a woman. Can't fight back.

She just has to do what she's going to do and not worry about them. I think she's getting better at it.

My recommendation: attack back and then when castigated by the media for it, just say what am I supposed to do, sit back and take it? The media certainly isn't going to do anything to stop attacks on Hillary, in fact they are soliciting them and promoting them. She has to defy them and hit back, and just learn to deal with the fallout, no matter how unfair.

She can't just play their game because they'll lead her right into the Publican slaughterhouse like they did Gore. He couldn't breath by the time they got done with him.

I can understand now, just a few days before this chapter closes playing nice, but afterward she has to take the gloves off again.