Does anyone think Edwards is channeling a bit of Dean anger?

[spooky3]

I think one of the key reasons Dean was attractive as a candidate in 04 was that people related to the anger that he felt at how the Bush administration had mangled everything. We all know the controversies of how that played out. But I wonder if Edwards is feeling angrier and/or feeling freer than the other candidates to express his anger now. I think there are a lot of angry voters who would like to see this. Sometimes I wish I had a better understanding of what the other Dems. believed was simply intolerable.

[hoozyorsugadaddy]

1. Ewards has definitely picked up the pace

[tekisui]

2. He's sounding on fire.

Just don't scream, John. We want to carry you the whole way.

[sandnsea]

3. Trippi red meat rhetoric??

Yeah. I've thought that for a while now.

[cali]

5. Well, maybe, but Dean always was a blunt speaker

I don't see Edwards as being much like Dean.

[sandnsea]

7. Trippi and angry campaigns

is like Rove and stolen elections. Dean wasn't running an angry man campaign until Trippi got on board.

[ThatPoetGuy]

10. I've wondered about this myself.

I was a Dean supporter, and I'm behind Edwards now -- but I DO have to wonder how much of that is because Trippi pushed them to tell a message that really appeals to me.

I suspect that there's a certain degree of storytelling behind each campaign, and that I would find Edwards less inspiring without Trippi pushing him to the left, and I suspect I would find Obama less repellent without Gibbs pushing him to the right.

[msongs]

12. exactly how many times has a Trippi campaign won for its candidate? ummm zero or so? nt

[sandnsea]

13. As long as you know what pushes your buttons

I suspect a lot of people have no clue that Edwards and Dean were very mild centrists before Trippi got a hold of them. You know, so that's what matters.

Say what you want about Gibbs, he's done a great job communicating Obama's message, responding to unfair attacks, and striking the right tone.

[benny05]

18. This is nonesense

Edwards always had the ability to fire up a crowd. But unlike his former running mate, Edwards decided to take a few risks by pointing out quite a few differences, and moreover, he put his finger on the total problem: a DC beltway infested with too many special interests.

Trippi has been more effective in the sense that some of the ads are very clever. And he gets a flat fee, not based on commission, unlike last time in Dean's campaign.

[sandnsea]

22. Edwards chose to stick by the IWR vote

Edwards was the risk averse one in 2004. He is also the one who cried about where he was sent in 2004, and consequently didn't deliver the rural vote that he was chosen to win. He didn't destroy Cheney in the debate the way any other VP choice would have. And he didn't fire back at the swift boaters because he wanted to save his "Mr Sunshine" persona for another run. Which he used until Trippi came on board and transformed him the way he transformed Dean.

[benny05]

25. I'm not going to get into this

but you are still on the sour grapes tour. John Kerry moved on, you should too.

[JDPriestly]

27. Edwards was pretty new to politics when he voted for the IWR.

He has learned a lot.

[Armstead]

17. Edwards basic message hasn;t changed after Trippi

I suspect that Trippi was attracted to Edwards because of his progressive populist message, and his similarity to Dean -- not the other way around.

[sandnsea]

19. Edwards' similarity to Dean???

What were you doing in 2003? There was NO similarity between the two then. None, zero, sip.

[Armstead]

20. I didn't say then

Edwards this year is following a similar path as Dean.

Basically a liberal moderate, who has been portrayed as "angry" by the "centrist" Democrats and the MSM because he dares to deviate from the DLC scenerio. And that seems to have made him more actually angry.

Similar to Dean in 03-04

[sandnsea]

23. Yes, thanks to Trippi n/t

[Catchawave]

21. Trippi blogged about that on MyDD before he joined the JE campaign

Joe's all about transformational politics. They're a good match :D

[sandnsea]

24. Yeah, he transformed Edwards into the angry man

just the way he's done many times before - and lost every time he's tried to do it.

[Catchawave]

35. At least Trip isn't taking a cut of the donations this time

Axelrod's made a million so far :shrug:

[JDPriestly]

28. Maybe that is why John Edwards chose Trippi. He liked

Trippi's transformational politics stance.

[asdjrocky]

4. Can't say I like the word anger-

That being said, I understand the anger. However, I've heard far too many RW pundit use that code word to try to turn off voters. I simply stay away from it.

Conviction is a word that is rarely used, and I believe he has that.

[tekisui]

6. How about Passion?

[asdjrocky]

8. Passion is always an A word in my book. Good call. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

9. "Passion" is one of the GOP's words for themselves...

...please check out http://wikiality.com/Dr._Frank_Luntz">this page for a list of the words the GOP use for themselves and what they use to confuse Americans.

Thanks to Frank Luntz.

[dajoki]

15. Good page, Thanks n/t

[asdjrocky]

32. That is a good page, thaks. n/t

[msongs]

11. Dean was not angry IMO, he was determined and resolute and correct nt

[Johnny Noshoes]

14. nt

[ArkySue]

16. bwahahahaha!

Don't mention Edwards and channeling in the same sentence! :eyes:
It didn't work out so well for Dean, did it.

[JDPriestly]

29. Dean was before his time.

[JDPriestly]

26. I hear a positive, upbeat message from Edwards.

I don't remember enough about the Dean campaign to know whether he was as positive as Edwards is. Edwards cares about America and Americans. I suspect Dean did too. Edwards is angry at those in American who are more interested in their own bottom lines than in what is good for our country. But overall his message is a positive one. He is excited about it, and he is excited about changing the status quo. But the things he wants to fight for are positive. He wants to fight to build up American, not to tear it down. I suspect Dean wanted the same things. The press may have misrepresented what Dean was saying. Thus far, the press has not been focused enough on Edwards to misrepresent him. They are just ignoring him. Maybe it is a good thing.

[karynnj]

30. The problem is that although a large proportion of Democrats felt that anger,

over the entire population it was far below 50%.

[ozone_man]

31. Sure, how could you miss it?

He's definitely the populist in 2008 as Dean was in 2004. Replace anti-Iraq war with anti-corporate economics, and you have Edwards. The timing is perfect as we begin our descent into recession/depression for a populist who will lead us in the FDR sense away from the corporate black hole that we've been sucked into under Clinton/Bush NAFTA economics and global outsourcing.

If it weren't for the DLC and MSM, Dean might have made it. This time it's Edward's chance.

[tritsofme]

33. I certainly hope so.

However seeing as Edwards was never frontrunner it would not be half as amusing to see him crash and burn.

[adnelson60087]

34. As the saying goes...if you're not angry, you're not paying attention!