Whoever get the democratic nomination this time

[cali]

will be the next president. It's not nearly the race that the MSM is trying to make it out to be. I know we'll continue squabbling about electability, but the fact is that the republican party is in shambles and it's not going to improve. Some candidates might have more durable coattails than others, but that's about it.

On January 20th, 2009 we'll watch a democratic president sworn into office, and we'll see a democratic Congress with increased majorities in both House and Senate, convening.

Then they better get to work repairing the past 8 years.


*this is not merely wishful thinking; it's about demographics, party identification, and a zeitgueist that has shifted radically.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. Lordy, I hope you're right.

But we'd have to count on two things:
1) A less agressive GOP than last time.
2) A more savvy electorate.

[zanne]

4. We have a FED UP electorate!

That's even better than savvy.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. A "fed up" electorate stays home. And that helps the GOP.

imo, ymmv.

[zanne]

15. What does ymmv mean?

My brother sent me an email recently and at the end of it he put: HNY. It took me forever to figure it out.

[MethuenProgressive]

16. "your mileage may vary"

I first came across it on hiking sites like www.whiteblaze.net and www.viewsfromthetop.com

[zanne]

20. OK--What does "Your mileage may vary" refer to? nt

[zanne]

2. I heartily agree!

I'm not worried about the Republicans this time around. People in general are entirely fed up with them. They've made a mess of everything and it hasn't escaped their notice.

[derby378]

3. Reparing the past eight years is not enough...

They must be undone. All reminders of George W. Bush must be purged from our midst. Let his name endure in our history books, newspaper archives, and memoirs of Washington insiders. But no further.

[Poiuyt]

9. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it

We, as a nation, must remember Bush so that no other president will ever try to do the things he did. I would like to see him in an old pilgrim's stockade in the Washington Mall for the rest of history for all to see and throw rotten fruit at him.

[derby378]

13. I'm not saying that we should FORGET Bush...

I am not in favor of chiseling his name out of our monuments as the Egyptians did to Akhnaten. But I want Bush's influence purged from Capitol Hill, the stench of neo-conservatism and neo-fascism eradicated from the halls and corridors of the House and Senate once and for all. Let us return to the old familiar battles of Republican vs. Democrat without the spectre of Prescott Bush hanging over them both and threatening to destroy all.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. I agree

and also think that many in the GOP WANT the Dems to win this time--we'll be inheriting a mess, and when it isn't cleaned up immediately, the GOP will blame all the troubles they started on us.

Sometimes I wonder why anyone wants the Democratic nomination knowing this will happen. I just hope that Congress decides that they can work with our new President. I'll be flabbergasted if the Democratic majority in both houses keeps on following the Republican line on things.

[Poiuyt]

6. I don't think it will be that easy

The country is pretty evenly divided. There are a lot of people who will vote Republican no matter who their candidate is. Plus, the Republicans are a lot better at dirty politics than we are. They look at politics as life or death war - do whatever it takes to win.

That said, I do believe that we will win in 08, I just don't think that the Democratic candidate will be a shoe-in.

[cali]

10. But it's not pretty evenly divided at this time.

The republican party has been bleeding registered voters, and it's fracturing in a truly fascinating way. The tension that has long existed between the financial conservatives and the the wingnuts is boiling over. This is not 2004 and it's not even 2006. Pendulums ALWAYS swing in the political world, and all the leading indicators are there to inform us that it's swung back to the dems.

[AndyTiedye]

19. The Pendulum Can ALWAYS Swing Further to the Right

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. I am not so certain.

Look how close this last election was--the Senate did not win by a huge margin.

Diebold / right-wing media / and depending on the Democratic candidate we choose, this is not a slam-dunk.

[flvegan]

8. Problem is, we said that in 2004.

I remember DU collectively believing that NOBODY, short of his ignorant base, would vote for Bush. He'd already played the idiot role for 4 years, and there was no way he'd get re-elected. Plus, we were running a war hero. A successful congressperson.

Granted, the election was stolen, and the voters' voice was quashed, but he still took it. I don't for a minute think that it can't happen again.

[cali]

11. I didn't and neither did anyone I know. I'll never forget going to

vote with two friends and my son who was voting for the first time We all had a terrible sense of forboding and felt sure bushco would be staying on in the WH. On the other hand, I was certain about 2006. I'm more certain about next year.

[mtnsnake]

12. Yup. The destiny of this election is out of Repukes hands. It's ours to win or lose & we won't lose.

This is why our people are fighting tooth & nail to win the nod. They know that as long as there are no major screw-ups during the general campaign, the winner of the Democratic Primary will be the next person to sit in the WH.

:thumbsup:

[AndyTiedye]

17. We Said That in 2004, and We KNEW We Were Going to Win in 2000 Too

We did, both times, but it was close enough to steal, and they did.





What makes you so sure it won't happen again?

The Swift Boat Liars are back, and busy making up new lies for the Mighty Slime Machine to repeat.

There will be 3rd-party candidates, perhaps as many as 3 of them, peeling off Democratic votes.

We no longer have candidates of the calibre of Al Gore, John Kerry, or Howard Dean. Today we have Hillary, Obama, and Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, and Kucinich.

Electability is an issue, a great, big issue. We have to win by a landslide or they'll steal it again.

[cali]

21. Speak for yourself. I didn't think we'd win in either year. n/t

[CK_John]

18. It will depend more on how bad the economic crash is and if there are gas stations open under 5.99

[David Zephyr]

22. I've said the same thing, but McCain might be the single exception.

Which is why I am rooting for any of the other GOP candidates, other than McCain, to do well in Iowa and New Hampshire. McCain doesn't have the money that Rudy or Romney have, but if he wins NH and then SC, he could raise a lot of cash quickly.