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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:56 PM
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Bill Clinton: Hillary can best handle 'unexpected' threats
CNN: December 30, 2007
Bill Clinton: Hillary can best handle 'unexpected' threats

CNN) – Bill Clinton told a group of New Hampshire voters that the "most important" reason to elect his wife Hillary president is that she would be best able to "deal with the unexpected," like another terrorist attack. “You have to have a leader who is strong and commanding and convincing enough . . . to deal with the unexpected. There is a better than 50 percent chance that sometime in the first year or 18 months of the next presidency, something will happen that is not being discussed in this campaign,” he said at a Saturday campaign event.

“President Bush never talked about Osama bin Laden and didn't foresee Hurricane Katrina. And if you're not ready for that, then everything else you do can be undermined. You need a president that you trust to deal with something that we will not discuss in this campaign. . . . And I think, on this score, she's the best of all,” he said.

A recent memo from John Edwards' campaign predicted the Clinton campaign would try to appeal to voter anxiety over worst-case scenarios. "We know that Senator Clinton will spend the week touting her national security credentials in a move that echoes George Bush's 2004 campaign… We believe Democrats will not be fooled by efforts to play on their fears," wrote Edwards’ deputy campaign manager, Jonathan Prince.

Last week, the former president told another Granite State crowd that his wife was the most qualified to deal with issues like climate change and terrorism, compared to other candidates with less experience. He added that "how we meet those challenges will determine whether our grandchildren will even be here fifty years from now at a meeting like this listening to the next generation's presidential candidates."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/30/bill-clinton-hillary-can-best-handle-unexpected-threats/
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:01 PM
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1. Yeah Bill, when your advisors told you told lay off the intern, you sure handled that well
and though I will probably get flamed for that comment, if you don't think that will be brought up during the general election, I have some swamp land to sell you in Arizonia

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:05 PM
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2. Nothing like a primary to bring out the slander and hate.
n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:16 PM
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7. Hillary is an enabler of Bill's predatory sexual behaviour.
Any self-respecting woman would have ditched the sonofabitch a long time ago!
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:27 PM
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8. IG, if you can name one woman who wasn't paid by Scaife....
Who says that Bill Clinton made preditory advances towards them, please let us know. Otherwise, you're just spreading freeper hatemongering. I like most of what you say, but you and I have no business dealing in the Clintons' consensual sex lives.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:26 PM
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23. I would say Monica was a predatory act
Regardless of whether she "consented" or not, the fact that Clinton took advantage of an impressionable (and somewhat unstable) woman of that age in the way he did was fairly predatory.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:38 PM
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26. She was an adult who had no known history of instability that I'm aware of.
And the bottom line is it was completely consensual in every respect. Bringing up personal lives that have no bearing on policy is just sleazy infotainment better suited to those who need something to fantasize about while railing againt promiscuity.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:42 PM
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10. Actually, that wasn't my point, my point was the hypocricy of Bill Clinton
The issues I would attack Hillary on, is the IWR, the Iran war resolution, the patriot act, and other not so wonderful issues which demonstrate her willingness for cowboy type diplomacy.


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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:39 PM
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29. Sounds exactly like the GOP in the 90s
This board is turning into a lurkers paradise
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:32 PM
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9. Are you saying Bill Clinton wasn't told by his advisors to stay away from Monica?
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 01:37 PM by still_one
Please educate me as to what I said was false?

If I critisize Hillary for voting for the IWR and the Iran war resolution, is that also consider hate and slander?

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:46 PM
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12. Ok, it was false. Happy now?
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 01:58 PM by last1standing
You seem to have been unable to grasp the meaning of what I said - or were unwilling to understand it. You posted a comment that one can just as easily read in freeperville, you know, the place where hatemongers are born and bred. I think most people come to DU for the discussion of ideas and policy, unfortunately, it just takes a few extreme partisan hacks with a lot of time on their hands to bring everything down to the level of sleaze we're seeing today. I don't care what the Clinton's do with their sex lives so long as it's not coerced, and most of the country has shown that they feel the same way.

I think there are plenty of great reasons not to support H. Clinton, but this is the lamest reason possible. It's only fit for repubs with private panty sniffing fetishes who need to sermonize to others about how aweful their sex lives are in order to feel better about themselves. I just think we should try to do better here.

Edited to add:

There's a tremendous difference between policy and personal lives and I think you knew that. I support Edwards but I think it's fair game when people suggest that his recent conversion to a more populist agenda isn't real based on his voting history. The talk about his hair cuts or house size is asinine, however. Does that clear it up?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:16 PM
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17. I was pointing out the hypocricy of Bill Clinton, that has nothing to do with Hillary
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 02:18 PM by still_one
You are correct about privacy of personal affairs, however, Bill Clinton lied to his staff, attorney, and the public about it, when all he had to do is NOT answer the questions

You are correct there are great reasons not to support Hillary, however there is only ONE reason to support the Democratic nominee in 2008, whoever that is, and that is the Supreme Court

You are frustrated with my post, well, if Hillary gets the nomination, and Bill goes out to campaign for her, you can expect a lot worse from the MSM, and others


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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:23 PM
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22. Then we mostly agree....
I wasn't frustrated with your post, I just think its wrong to dredge up personal lives in political debate. I know the MSM will do it because they always do it. They'll do it to Edwards, Obama, Biden and anyone else who gets the nod. They did it to Dean over a "scream" that they played literally thousands of times in a single news cycle. The problem is that when progressives join in on that kind of thing it only validates the media in their sleaze. The Democratic nominee will be slandered and there's no way to avoid it. The only thing we can do is not fuel it.

Now if you find out that H. Clinton is sucking the blood from puppies during satanic rituals in her senate office I might make an exception to my personal rule, but short of that I say leave personal lives out of the equation.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:31 PM
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25. I probably should not have fueled it, and I am sure we mostly agree
Incidently, I don't hate Hillary, I just don't think she is the best nominee for the Democrats, but will vote for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee is

The one positive thing about the early primaries is that it will give us more time to unite behind the nominee before the general election. Democrats have a tendency to eat their own, and this might reduce that effect







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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:45 PM
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30. After Gravel, I think Clinton is the very worst possible choice.
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 02:47 PM by last1standing
Her policy papers are very shallow, her record is both hawkish and anti-worker, and her campaign has been a shining example of how manipulate the public instead of discussing issues. I can't think of any good reason to vote for her other than the supreme court appointments, like you said, and even those aren't likely to be that great compared to what we need in there. Let's just hope that Iowa and New Hampshire see that.

Good luck to us all.

Edited to add:

I forgot to mention that people forget how ineffective and conservative the first Clinton administration was. I doubt very much that a second one would improve in either catagory.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:13 AM
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36. We are definitely on the same page /nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:56 PM
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32. It's not slanderous
to point out the truth and it's not hate when you don't like bill's actions in the oval office.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:14 PM
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4. see? look how well she handled that unexpected threat
the getting caught part.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:23 PM
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21. How true!
She couldn't save him from impeachment, yet she can save this country from outside forces.

I'll be flamed as well but I don't care anymore.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:12 PM
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3. her campaign grosses me out sometimes. so does bill. wish he'd stfu...
i think i do like her better for international affairs than some candidates, but not more than biden for sure., and i'm not scared of a terrorist attacks on my soil, and if one occurs, it'll already be done, i or others will be dead and i'm not looking for sen. clinton to save me from it after the fact.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:15 PM
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5. Bill Clinton is so full of shit, and I'm sick of seeing his philanderer face!
I don't want the Clintons in the White House, period!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:47 PM
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13. I agree with you. I have had enough family dynasties to last a life time
However, I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SURPEME COURT

After 2008, NO ONE will ever be able to take my vote for granted, especially many of the Democrats after what they have put this country through the past 8 years, essentially giving bush everything he asked for


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:17 PM
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18. Hillary opposed the Alito filibuster led John Kerry
And as President, Hillary will follow her husband's footsteps and continue to appoint Federalist Society judges to the federal bench.

The SCOTUS fearmongering meme is just that, fearmongering. The track record of the Democratic Congress has been one of rubber stamping conservative judicial nominations. Only the most outrageous rightwing jurists get token opposition.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:22 PM
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20. Please name what federalist society judges Bill Clinton appointed?
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 02:22 PM by still_one
everyone of the Democratic nominees said they will nominate judges who will uphold a person's privacy rights and civil rights

EVERYONE OF THE REPUKE nominess have said they will nominate judges like scalia and thomas

That is the same statement that bush has made

So, if I have a choice between a repuke who says he will support judges like scalia and thomas, and a Democrat who says he won't support judges like scalia and thomas, I will support the DEMOCRAT


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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:06 PM
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15. He has hurt us enough. It's time to start ignoring his political
advice.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:16 PM
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6. Sorry Bill.
You lost my trust when you lied to my face.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 01:43 PM
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11. She couldn't even handle Bush
that idiot fooled her on the most important decision a politician can make.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 05:01 PM
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35. Right...hillary is skaken' in
her boots when bushit says "jump". She's been a little toady and bill just wants back in the white house so bad his usual smoothness is flubbing up.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:05 PM
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14. Can anyone name one "unexpected threat" Senator Clinton
has handled? Or for that matter, anything else of importance she has achieved other than raising a wonderful child.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:08 PM
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16. Were the bimbos an "unexpected" threat to her marriage?
?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:18 PM
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19. Keep on talking, Bill
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:28 PM
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24. Bill should contact Zell Miller for an endorsement of Hillary
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:38 PM
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27. LOL. Good one. nm
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 02:39 PM
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28. Nothing makes his statement more true that the death of Bhutto
He is right. Obama is a lightweight who does not have the experience to be a President. I am sorry but I am not willing to support on the job training.

It is time to put an intelligent, powerful, experienced person in office.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:53 PM
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31. Is that you, Senator Bayh?
:eyes:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 04:57 PM
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33. It is time to put an intelligent, powerful, experienced person in office.
odd you support Hillary then.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 05:00 PM
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34. tsk tsk tsk sniffa
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:24 AM
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37. What can i add to this topic?
President Bush never talked about Osama bin Laden and didn't foresee Hurricane Katrina.

:eyes:

Everybody knew about Katrina before it happened. And didn't your administration brief the "president elect" on Bin Laden :eyes:

1984: all over again....
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