Watching Tim Russert show from yesterday...Obama wants to penalize ppl who can't afford health ins?

[DemKR]

Anyone have a video? I can't believe I'm hearing this

[sniffa]

1. here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[cali]

2. god, you're a bore. n/t

[DemKR]

3. do u have alink?

[Stephanie]

4. Clinton discussed penalties for those who don't comply.

[DemKR]

6. BUT OBAMAS PLAN DOESNT COVER EVERYONE, thats the difference here

[Dawgs]

9. NO!! It doesn't make them get covered. There's a difference.

Big surprise that you will spin this, like you spin everything else.

[zanne]

25. Well, here's a clue.....

Realistically, (and that's one of the things I like about Obama), this country can't afford to cover everyone at 100% right now. It would be impossible. However, erasing the tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans and eliminating the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy would be a good start, which is what Obama plans to do.

[karynnj]

31. It allows everyone the CHOICE of having health insurance

but does not contain a mandate.

There are two sides to this. If there are people without health insurance, there is the likelihood that in case of serious illness or accident they will be - as they are now - given treatment in the hospitals. If they have no assets, the costs will likely be written off and long term loaded onto the costs of those who can pay or have health insurance. One group likely to take the risk are those who are young and healthy. They are willing to gamble that the cost of treatment is lower than the cost of premiums.

These 15 million will not pay into the system - but it is a risk that they are intentionally taking and it is because they feel that they are better off not paying the amount they would have to pay.

[jefferson_dem]

5. Link here --->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODshB09FQ8w

[DemKR]

8. afraid to give the real video?

[Dawgs]

10. There is no real video.

He never said it.

[K Gardner]

12. Are you afraid to tell the TRUTH and stop spamming the board with lies???

He said that about Romney, twit.

[Dawgs]

7. You can't believe it because it never happened.

[DemKR]

11. I am watching it right now

[Dawgs]

26. No you're not. He never said he wants to penalize people that can't afford health ins.

You are a liar... unless you have a quote.

[zanne]

13. Another rumormonger thread.

And another statement by Obama taken completely out of context. He's AGAINST mandatory insurance coverage. With his healthplan, individual states who already have a good healthcare plan would not have to switch to the public plan as long as that state met the standards of the national plan. Does that sound like someone who wants to force people to buy insurance? He'd get tough on large corporations that do not offer their employees insurance, but he'd give small businesses a break. He is, impressively, a realist and not a liar who wants to promise us everything while he's campaigning to get a few extra votes.

[sniffa]

14. you don't say.

so DemKR is lying? and spamming the board again? i'm shocked. :wow:

[DemKR]

15. but his plan doesn't cover 15,000,000 citizens. thats why i dont get it n/t

[ellacott]

20. I thought you said you watched it

You are sounding increasingly desperate in your attempts to lambast Obama. You have every right to support any candidate of your choice but you manner of doing it are shameful.

You are obsessed today

[zulchzulu]

21. Those 15 million would be penalized if they didn't get government-enforced healthcare insurance

Actually, the 15 million that Hillary keeps piping up about under Obama's plan would be covered by Medicare or Medicaid anyway. He just wouldn't force people into a plan they can't afford.

Perhaps you can afford paying an extra $900 a month for healthcare insurance that doesn't even reform the insurance industry...or get penalized... that's what individual mandates are. Get it?

[zulchzulu]

16. Do you realize Clinton wants individual mandates on health insurance?

She hasn't bothered to give the details of how the mandates would work, but you can bet that if you don't get healthcare insurance under her plan, you certainly are penalized, fined, get wages garnished, etc. Edwards' policy is very similar to Clinton's and he has stated that penalties would be enacted if you didn't sign up.

This has been the whole point about the debate on individual mandates on healthcare insurance.

[K Gardner]

18. This OP deals with rumor, not facts. Get your rumors straight ! :-)

[DemKR]

22. These mandates occur ONLY WHEN

EVERYONE is covered. Obama's plan does not cover everyone. Period.

[eleny]

17. If insurance companies are involved, it's still a bad system

Universal health care for all, paid by taxes, is the only decent way to get it done. Otherwise, there will be people who can't afford the premiums. It's ridiculous for any candidate, Obama and Clinton included, to make requirements for participation. Insurance company profits will make it a hardship for some to pay the premiums.

That's why I'm caucusing for Kucinich. The end.

[DemKR]

23. not 4 profit health care !!! :)

[karynnj]

32. You do realize don't you that none of the top three are against

"4 profit health care" including HRC.

[skipos]

19. DemKR: making me hate Hillary Clinton more and more every day. nt

[wtmusic]

24. OK, but there are so many better reasons nt

[Marrah_G]

30. I suppose that is what he wants-

[bunnies]

27. Newsflash DemKR...

In order for Hillarys magic mandate to work... she will have to penalize people that dont comply.

Of course, this is exactly why she has no plan to enforce it yet. Cant have people knowing the punishment in advance now can we?

[LordJFT]

28. I know this is hard for simple-minded people like you to understand

but when the problem with healthcare is affordability and you force people to buy healtcare whether they can afford it or not, you're not solving the problem

[Bitwit1234]

29. Wait a minute....just wait a minute he will change his stance

as soon as he finds out it isn't popular. He always does.

[rodeodance]

33. MR. RUSSERT: Which is a quasi-mandate.--TRANSCRIPT HERE

SEN. OBAMA: Well, Tim, here's the philosophical debate that's going on. First of all, every objective observer says Edwards, Clinton, myself, we basically have the same plan. We do have a philosophical difference. They both believe the problem is the government is not forcing adults to get healthcare. My belief is that the real problem is people can't afford healthcare, and that if we could make it affordable, they will purchase it. Now, they assert that there're going to be all these people left out who are avoiding buying healthcare. My attitude is, we are going to make sure that we reduce costs for families who don't have health care, but also people who do have healthcare and are desperately needing some price relief. And we are going to reduce costs by about $2500 per family.

If it turns out that there are still people left over who are not purchasing healthcare, one way of avoiding them waiting till they get sick is to charge a penalty if they try to sign up later so that they have an incentive to sign up immediately.

MR. RUSSERT: Which is a quasi-mandate.

SEN. OBAMA: But--well, no, it's not a quasi-mandate because what happens then is we are not going around trying to fine people who can't afford healthcare, and that's what's happening in Massachusetts right now. They've already had to exempt 20 percent of the uninsured, and you're reading stories about people who didn't have healthcare, still can't afford the premiums on the subsidized healthcare, but now are also paying a fine. That I don't think is providing a relief to the American people. We need to make health care affordable. That's what my plan does. And The Washington Post itself said, for the Clinton campaign to try to find an individual who wanted healthcare and could not get it under the Obama administration would be very difficult because that person probably does not exist. If you want healthcare under my plan, you will be able to get it, it will be affordable, and it will be of the high quality.

MR. RUSSERT: Before you go, you related a conversation that you had with your wife, Michelle, that if you didn't run--win this time for president, you wouldn't run again...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22409176/page/5/

[Bluenorthwest]

34. What does Obama mean by 'family'?

This is one of the problems with Obama's religionist stance on gay families. At this time, the fed does not consider my family as equal to a hetro family. I get insurance my partner does not get. That is allowed due to discrimination. So, does Obama mean that our household costs will go down, or does he see my costs as one thing and the Partner's as another? Is our income 'ours' or is mine mine and his his? If I can afford it but he can not, do I have to buy it for him, even though we do not get the other rights and expemptions of a family? Wil I be paying out as head of houshold while still being denied the ability to file as head of household?
Looks to me like Obama's plan would be a huge burden on us, as he wants to consider us a couple when it works for the plan, but not a couple when it might upset his co-religionists like McClurkin.
This is why equality in civil law is important. How will we deal with 'household income' when the law says my household is not really a household? When my family is not a legal family?
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[Sparkly]

35. Edited... So he would impose fines.

on those who sign up after they're sick.