Bad form Keith, Bad Form.

[MadBadger]

Constantly bringing up that registered dem number in which Obama still wins by 1 over Clinton. It really sounds like he's trying to diminish Obama's victory. Just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

[bigwillq]

1. Facts are truth.

Can you not handle the truth? :shrug:

[Joe the Revelator]

5. That he still beat Clinton even without all the new voters he energized?

I'll take those facts all day.

[bigwillq]

18. No the fact is that he only won by 1 percent over Clinton

with registered Dems. Keith is trying to diminish anything. Obama won, congrats to him but his facts are still correct and accurate.

[jenmito]

24. Like Matthews said, it takes more than just Dems. to win the general election.

With Obama we'll win in a landslide instead of another 51% win that can be stolen.

[jlake]

2. Disagree.

Obama is being set up by the repubs for a GE loss...and he is so egotistical, naive and arrogant that he believes all the BS hype he spews.

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[bigwillq]

10. It's now 95

so what? what the hell does that have to do with anything? :shrug:

[jlake]

12. Please elaborate on that insinuation

[CyberPieHole]

21. Not cool to point out someone's newbie-ness...

but you should know that.:thumbsdown:

[aquart]

22. Illegal even. Unless you say, Welcome to DU.

[napi21]

15. I'd almost be inclinde to agree with you, except you're forgetting

that the indi's voted for Obama in Iowa. Last time they voted for Shrub. (2000. There was no Pub primary in Iowa in 04.)

[jlake]

26. Maybe he has genuine support from Indies and repubs...

I have heard anecdotal evidence that repubs were going to caucus for him because they know he can be beaten in the GE.
-- Not stories of the internet, but from family members in IA.

[aquart]

19. Stuff it. The Dem will win.

The Republican votes are irrelevant. We don't need one single Republican vote. And only 13 million independents. The Republicans need 30 million independents and they don't have a prayer. Not if we run Obama, Hillary, Edwards, or the Tydybowl man.

So take your idiot argument off the table. It's crap and I can't stand Obama.

[jlake]

32. OOOKay! If you say so!

[hisownpetard]

48. Your patented form of graciousness so enhances any discussion. Kudos, cutie!

:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hi: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :donut: :grouphug: :yourock:

[CyberPieHole]

30. Welcome to DU jlake...

hope you are wearing your flame~retardant togs tonight.:hi:

[cloud75]

3. you are right and i'm a hillary supporter. n/t

[high density]

4. Not really

Perhaps he's just showing what the result may be like in a state where only Dems can participate/vote in the Dem caucus/election.

[MadBadger]

11. I'm not saying its not okay to mention it

It is, but he has brought it up 3 times in less than ten min to say "but remember...he barely won among the registered dems"

[JDPriestly]

7. He is bringing a little reality to the Obama's numbers.

Obama rode in on Oprah's support. Obama will have a big job keeping the independents and Republicans who caucused for him in Iowa. It is possible that a few of those, and maybe more than a few of those voters, were spoilers.

[jenmito]

31. First of all, this win will give him a big bump with Dems. in future states.

Secondly, he rose in the polls BEFORE Oprah's 3 rallies with him. Thirdly, Hillary wouldn't even be NEAR where she is without riding BILL'S coattails. Fourth, get used to it.

[JDPriestly]

45. I'm a poor loser. That's what I am. No surprise, I'm a lawyer.

I really like to win. I took my time deciding on Edwards. It was between Obama and Edwards. And the choice was not easy. But I am staunchly in the Edwards camp. I hope Obama starts learning something from Edwards. For example, Obama says vaguely that he will make healthcare "more affordable." Now just what does he really mean by that. I don't need it to be just "more affordable." I need a proposal that is more concrete than that. He talks about unity. But what if the other side doesn't want to unify? Is Obama going to unify all by himself? I just think Edwards is a better candidate, and I will stick to what I believe.

[aquart]

34. Don't think so. Too many disillusioned Republicans and independents.

The Republicans can go home now. We don't need their votes and they don't want to vote for their own team.

The independents have to decide if they're just starstruck or they really want to go with the Democrats this time. We only need 13 million of them.

Oprah's support wasn't a one-time deal. Expect her to keep giving it. I love her but she doesn't own my vote. However, this is a country that voted for Ronald Reagan, so NEVER discount star power.

Doesn't matter what Obama keeps in Iowa. What matters is if this will translate to other, more sophisticated states. I wouldn't be surprised, but I will be disgusted.

And I don't for a second expect that Hillary's underdog status will lessen the nasty distortion of her or her record on DU or in the media.

[rucky]

8. Really? That's the stat I was looking out for...

because it shows that Obama has serious crossover appeal.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

42. Oprah fills the stadiums

Obama has to close the deal and win the votes.

[truebrit71]

9. I agree...that really doesn't matter tonight...what matters is he kicked her to the curb...

...

[jenmito]

13. Matthews put him in his place. "Let's be honest," he said,

"he still beat Hillary among Dems. and it's the establishment party. You can't WIN the general election without Independents." (paraphrasing) Olbermann was silent.

This was a BIG win. He beat Hillary in total by 9%!

[Cha]

49. Never thought I'd like

to hear what tweety said over KO.

[tammywammy]

14. I don't think he was doing that in a negative way

It is an important fact

[jillan]

16. Keith has been interesting lately.

but he is all we have.

[suston96]

17. Sorry, you misunderstand.......

The 31-30 numbers are the numbers by which Obama beat Hillary among registered Democrats - a group over which Hillary has had a sometimes double digit lead.

It's an amazing statistic since Hillary is old time Democrat and Obama is a non-institutional newcomer to the party.

It is complimentary.

[MadBadger]

23. No, Keith hasnt framed it that way

Keith has framed it as, maybe those are the more important numbers. Even Chris Matthews was confused at what he was talking about.

[suston96]

29. I listened to the same words and what I heard was as I posted.

Keith Olbermann doesn't unarticulate as you suggest. Try some of his Special Comments.

[Colobo]

20. Keith can't change history: Obama 38%, Clinton 29%.

[BenDavid]

35. And you all believe the race is over? Far from it dear friends. I

will support HRC till the last dog dies because I honestly and truly believe Obama is not ready.Sure, he has the oratory but nothing else to back it up. If one listens to the msm and their rationale it sounds like a repeat of them talking about George W. Bush in 2000 and diminishing Gore.

I say the race has just begun and I congratulate Obama on his victory and now we will see if he is ready for a nationwide contest in the other 49 states.

Ben David

[Colobo]

37. Get ready to back Obama in November, Ben.

[rufus dog]

25. He supports Hillary

And his candidate lost, yes it was only by one but it was a loss!

[brentspeak]

28. He supports Hillary? Source?

[melody]

33. And just three months ago a Hillary person was telling me KO clearly supports Gore

KO sure changes his mind a lot. lol

[mhatrw]

27. How about failing to even mention Edward's support among Dems?

It must have been about 30% as well.

[Renew Deal]

36. I think this is good news for Obama

He was predicted to be worse.

[MadBadger]

38. He's doing it again

And yes, it is not a complimentary thing.

[truebrit71]

39. I know...wtf is up with that?

..."I hate to fact check you Howard"....Keith, my dear fellow, the FACT is that Obama kicked HRC in the teeth tonight by 11%age points...

THOSE are the facts Keith....

[jenmito]

40. Keith just brought it up AGAIN, "fact-checking" Finemann, and Finemann's explaining how

that will change (increase his number of Dems. in future states).

Keith said, "Not to diminish Obama's win or moment or anything, but ..." (paraphrasing)

[FredfromSpace]

41. Keith is just telling the truth...

Besides, it could be spun as a GOOD THING that Obama attracted those "outside" votes.

It matches what he clams to be his major point--the unify Dems, Repubs, and Independents.

I've been skeptical about this, but who nows?

[jenmito]

43. He tried to minimize Obama's win, but Obama will get a BIG bump with Dems. in the next states.

Not to mention this is proof that Obama IS the person who can unify the country and will win by so much that it can't be stolen.

[Berry Cool]

44. This is more baloney. Keith isn't trying to minimize anything.

He's trying to be fair and provide perspective.

For heavens' sake, the man doesn't even vote, and yet people are always interpreting him as being biased in favor of some candidate OTHER than theirs, and biased against theirs. I continue to believe they're just being paranoid.

[hisownpetard]

46. It was confusing the first time he said it, before the hourly break. I heard Tweety say, "What's 31

and what's 30?" I didn't know what Keith was referring to, either.

Then when they came back from break, Keith repeated that sentence but made it no les unclear.
I just didn't see the point he was trying to make, but I'm sure it was not a case of bad form.
Maybe something he thought was in interesting fact but didn't seem that important.

[BeyondGeography]

47. He has been a HillShilling asshole this whole race

not that it has made one bit of a difference.

[Cha]

50. That's what I don't

get..why would someone as helpful and as anti-fascist as KO has been even think about hillary?!

[BeyondGeography]

51. He's in NYC surrounded by the Hillarazzi and he's probably friends with them

that's my theory.

[Cha]

52. Yeah, he prolly

got caught up in the inevitability of it all. I'm glad I don't pick my candidates that way.