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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:07 AM
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Hillary advisers fear N.H. loss
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7759.html

Hillary advisers fear N.H. loss

By: Mike Allen and Ben Smith
Jan 6, 2008 04:24 PM EST
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Clinton’s campaign holds back on anti-Obama spots while she makes a new play for younger voters.


MANCHESTER, N.H. — Sen. Hillary Clinton’s strategists, desperate for a win in New Hampshire, have decided against unleashing attack ads against Sen. Barack Obama before Tuesday’s primary, Democratic sources said.

The senator’s aides concluded that negative advertising would not work in the compressed time frame between Iowa and New Hampshire, adding to their worries about their ability to change a media and political environment that is embracing Obama as a historic figure. The campaign also worries that fallout from an all-out attack on Obama could harm Clinton’s plans to turn the Democratic race into a grueling marathon.

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:09 AM
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1. wise decision
thats surprising .
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:11 AM
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2. Know why they should fear a NH Loss?
because Hillary will fire most of them if she loses NH. They've been bullshitting her that NH was in the bag, her "firewall", and today they find themselves down by double digits with one day to go. BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN AN EFFECTIVE CAMPAIGN.

I hope she sacks the lot of them, starting with Penn.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:14 AM
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4. Then who will she get?
Let her keep her precious penn..I just don't want her back in our whitehouse. I want to have someone I want for a Change.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:22 AM
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13. Hillary needs to keep the same team with her until February 6th...
...then she can fire them after she drops out of the race.

:thumbsup:

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:26 AM
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15. I think she needs to sack herself...
...because it wasn't Mark Penn who voted for the IWR, or Kyl-Lieberman, or who said "lobbyists are people, too" or that people should just "get over" her authorization of the Iraq war. And, even it he was the one who designed the "it's all about me" campaign focus, HRC was the one to O.K. it, and go on to exude the sense of arrogant entitlement that so turned people off.

Sorry, but it isn't just that she's got a flawed campaign, it's that she's a flawed candidate -- one who would never have gotten to this position if her husband wasn't William Jefferson Clinton. And that's not enough of a reason to hand her the highest office in the land.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 AM
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17. And I really don't understand...
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 AM by TwoSparkles
...how an intelligent, politically seasoned woman like Hillary could have run
a campaign like this.

How in the world did this happen?

It was SO bad here in Iowa...it's one for the textbooks.

"The worst PR blow outs of our time, two case studies: The response to the Challenger disaster; and Hillary Clinton's 08 campaign".

Really remarkable.

Was it really all Mark Penn? Why didn't Bill stop this?

I just can't believe that Bill Clinton would have agreed that it was smart for Hillary to plant questions in Iowa
and then run a closed-down campaign where she ran away after her speeches and didn't take questions.

I guess they all figured that she had it in the bag, and that they should play it safe.

:shrug:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:12 AM
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3. So if the ads aren't run, you can't prove that this story is all bullshit.
I got to hand to to you guys.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:14 AM
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5. I don't trust anything from politico myself /nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:15 AM
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6. To what guys? This a link
article.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:18 AM
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8. It's a link to a story about something that didn't happen.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:20 AM
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11. Yeah , you can trust hillary..not
to go negative.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:22 AM
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12. Please, favor us with some actual examples of this, not this kind.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:28 AM by The_Casual_Observer
I'm sure you can NOT. you got nothing but anecdotal netshit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:35 AM
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21. If you're so
fucking sure then why did you even ask? Typical hillary shit.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:38 AM
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22. Ah, come on , just one. Please I'd actually like to see one!
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:16 AM
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7. Smoke and mirrors, 08. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:18 AM
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9. former senator tom dashlae
stated on big ed`s show friday that he knew of these commercials and thought it would be a bad idea. but who knows the truth since it looks like we will never see them--if they exist
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:19 AM
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10. Hear something about a mailer or something?
Thought I caught a whisper about it...

Mail buys have to drop earlier than TV ads. Given the truly nasty bit of work that the mailer was, I think it's quite credible that there was a negative TV campaign planned.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:23 AM
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14. Show me an email then.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:27 AM
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16. Tom Daschle knows about the ads
So, that answers your question. Next.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 AM
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18. Bullshit,....next?
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 12:30 AM by The_Casual_Observer
Fucking low down rumor of a whisper campaign. Low down nothing dog.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:55 AM
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24. And We'll Never Know When She Stopped Beating Her Husband n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:30 AM
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19. It is already written.
Obama has jettisoned into a double-digit lead in NH.

Gobama.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:31 AM
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20. The same article says that if they lose NH, they will lose NV and SC
Hillary camp is fearful of losing the support of a powerful Nevada union, which will announce who they will support the day after the NH primary.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:58 AM
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25. They're endorsing the day after NH?
Exciting.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:45 AM
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23. Great way to reduce expectations
The way polling is trending, the media narrative about Obama being unstoppable, etc. if Obama doesn't win big it will be dissappointing. Then Hillary can portray herself as the "comeback gal."
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:59 AM
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26. It's just like the week or so before Iowa
There were a lot of little parrots on here talking about how Iowa isn't important in the first place, so it's okay if Hillary doesn't win there.
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