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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:16 AM Original message |
Will Obama's views on the immorality of gay marriage play better in SC... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh yes they will. |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yup. Sometimes the cost of winning is just not worth it. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yes |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. His pro death penalty stand will probably help there too nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. as a way for citizens to display their outrage? definitely. nt. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
47. Probably not |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Obama supports the death penalty in select cases and sees it... |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Which is well to the left of Clinton's position |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. death to express outrage is well to the left? lol. nt. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. Good link-clicking there |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. those are two examples he gave of heinous crimes. there are many other heinous crimes. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. But your candidate AGREES WITH IT |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Obama supports the death penalty as surely as the others. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Duh.... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. Where does Obama say that gay marriage is immoral? |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Notice no one replied to your question... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I think it's because people have provided the quote |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. they know...they don't care. nt |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. It was provided so many time you couldn't find it? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. its been provided numerous times. read the mans book. nt |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Here you go - now I expect you will rationalize it or just slink away |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. The amazing thing is that his denomination of christianity SUPPORTS gay marriage |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. bingo |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. That doesn't say it's immoral |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. lol |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. c'mon..the Bible saying something is wrong isn't the same as saying its immoral. nt. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. The Bible never says gay marriage is wrong |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. I'm fine with that and I agree with you |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. then what does Obama mean when he references his religious traditions... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #74 |
108. meh |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
76. I enjoy the occasional pork chop |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. He opposes gay marriage based on his religious values...there is no... |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Good night. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Read your mans book. the chapter on Faith. nt. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #76 |
85. No, he oppose civil marriage equality because of his religious beliefs |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
100. If Obama were trying to legislate his beliefs |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I don't have much of a problem |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #85 |
107. A+ |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. Does Obama believe it is immoral? I would love to see the quote. Thanks for the link! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Here: |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
7. His disgusting pandering will do him fine there... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. Ah, because those aren't Obama's views, and I think you know that. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
10. There are no gay black people in South Carolina |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. He referenced his religious traditions to explain his opposition to gay marriage. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
29. So what's Hillary's excuse? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Don't know...hasn't bragged about it in a book yet. nt. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
11. When all else fails, drag out McClurkin |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I would have... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
12. so full of shit, so little time....... |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Thank you for telling us what Obama is made of. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Know....its the desperation that is sickening. |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Your comment makes no sense. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. Oh, and when did he say it was immoral? n/t |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
14. You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
20. Hillary should talk about how Bill signed DOMA to counter it. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. maybe she'll bring that up in SC to pander to some bigot votes. nt. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. we'll see....meanwhile, we know Obama will do it. nt |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I don't think Obama will bring up Bill signing DOMA |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. if he could claim credit. definitely trot out the ex-gays though. nt. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. noooo!!!!! say it isn`t so.. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. i need some help... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. no..just references his religious traditions in explaining his opposition. |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
33. I don't think the answer to your question is available until SC votes. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
36. obama's statement on the federal ban gay marriage amendment: - |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Obama cites his religious traditions as basis for opposing it. nt. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. yes let's all obey obama's religious beliefs shall we? nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. why not? nt. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. why should everyone in this country have to kowtow to obama's religion? nt |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. he is for change? nt. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Not everyone- just the Religious right and that, as they say |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Nobody's asking you to |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
45. Nope. Obama believes homosexuality is inborn and not immoral, and is in favor of gay rights. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. why does he cite religious traditions in opposition to gay marriage? nt. |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Instead of repeating that another dozen times |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. he cites his religious traditions to explain his opposition to gay marriage as policy. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:39 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Quote please? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I thought it was sock puppet. nt. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No, he doesn't. He cites them to explain |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. He doesn't support it and cited religious traditions in a radio interview. nt. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. To explain his personal feelings on the issue. In every interview I've heard, he was very clear |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Federal...leave the bans to the states. He is not for gay marriage based on religious tradition. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Where has Obama stated he wants to see state bans? Quote please. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. obviously he does not....he simply says that marriage is between a man and woman... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So then "leave the bans to the states" was a lie, then, wasn't it? Hardly your first. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. hardly the first time you've expressed your disdain of civil rights for gays in defense of Obama. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Another lie. I've not breathed a word against civil rights, nor have I |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I think there are people here that know better...although they may not count as full citizens.. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You're right; I don't consider concern trolls to be full DUers. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. thats one way to marginalize minorites. I'm sure Obama would be proud. nt. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. And I'm sure Clinton is proud of your little swiftboat here. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Not knowing your sexuality, I refrained from using homophobe as a descriptor. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I haven't marginalized anyone, excepting liars. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. you've parsed and justified his words, knowing the pain and anguish it causes... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. If your concern is real, then why not make a case without lying or distorting? |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. So am I, for what it's worth (nt) |
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Bishop Rook (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. What opposition to gay marraige as policy? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. include the quote from the previous paragraph... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. He may think it's inborn but he's clearly said his religious beliefs |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. On a personal level. It says nothing in there about a political level--indeed, |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. But this is what he uses for his justification to oppose it in the political sphere |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. they know that. they don't care. nt. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
104. Then why did he hire an anti-gay act to host his concert? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
64. Obama's pandering to bigots will get him all of the homophobic bible thumper's votes... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
92. it may well work down south. nt. |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
81. Obama: Treat Homphobes With Dignity And Respect, They Don't Know They're Wrong |
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magatte (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
105. I am sure you truly believe that he is a homophobe. You Phoney! |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
106. More desperation? And here I thought your girl was picking up the pace. ROFLMAO! n/t |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
109. Yes |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
110. That's a bit vague... |
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