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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:25 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is the following statement sexist? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. um, no. |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Would it be if you just changed it around to say Bush is just Hillary in a suit? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. How about "Bay Buchanan is Pat Buchanan in a dress." |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Actually, you might be on to something there... |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Has anyone ever seen Bay Buchanan in a dress? |
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Jai4WKC08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. Or Giuliani is Bush in a dress |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. No. Just over the top. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Sexist, Homophobic, And Transphobic, Sir |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Yep. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. ... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. "no serious argument can be made otherwise" |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Proceed, Sir.... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Sire, we were instructed not to use such empty arguments when I was on the debate team |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. So You Are Not Going To Demonstrate The Weakness Of My Position, Sir? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. as soon as you demonstrate the strength of it I will, Sire |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
79. And calling someone 'Sire'... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. it is a positive honorific, is it not? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
100. Not as much honorific as it is petulant. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. nope. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I doubt it was debate class. Probably more like "The Art of War" |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Precisely what 'bigotries' are at its root? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The Thing Has No Weight As An Attack, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I would posit differently, SIre |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. You Quite Miss The Point, Sir |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. No, Sire, it your lordship which has intentionally bypassing the point |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Wear It In Good Health, Sir.... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. If it pleases you to do so, Sire |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Oh, It Did, Mr. Lerkfish.... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I thought you had retreated to darker delights, your lordship |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. *chuckle* |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. why, thank you, sir, you did not disappoint as well. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. The thing has no weight as an attack on persons who wear women's clothing... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It Is Simply An Attempt, Sir |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Ah ha... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Sire is not ready to actually debate you, but I applaud your argument here |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. No, That Would Be A Slur On Attila The Hun, Sir |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Agreed. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
61. Sire, if I may, your lordship: |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. it has a lot of weight as an attack |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. Why are you attempting to interpret a metaphor literally? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. You have not made a serious argument to show that it is. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. You're looking for an honest debate |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
96. I think he has debated at least as honestly as you |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. LOL! |
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debatepro (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
73. Hold on there... I disagree |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. A thought... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
97. A bit of an afterthought.... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
106. Complete and total bollocks, Sir. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
117. I don't often disagree with The Magistrate, but I have to here. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
118. A statement that calls attention to one's gender where it is irrelevant |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. Statements aren't sexist, people are |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:28 PM Original message |
Camille Paglia begs to differ.... |
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FlyingSquirrel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. Not sure.. can't remember last time I saw her in a dress. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
86. Interesting point. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. Sexist is losing its shock value |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
81. Interesting perspective. |
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DissentIsPatriotic (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes, it implies that being a woman means wearing a dress. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Question |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Well, they both thought Iraq would be a good idea. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. yeah |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Bush is a strong intelligent progressive woman? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. She sure the hell is. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well, she's a woman. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. she is everything I said |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Nope. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. You are rather a one note Johnny then |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. OK, lame excuse Sally. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. who are you supporting? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Obama. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. But you are okay that he helps fund the war? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Obama doesn't fund the war. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. 60 days from taking office |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. The dextromorphan distribution act? Huh? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. what's his plan now? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. No, Clinton doesn't have a plan. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. and you are basing this on what exactly? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
105. Are those crickets I hear chirping? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. It's like shooting fish in a barrel |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
76. Then argue that Hillary is different from Bush |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. The entire purpose of this thread is to avoid arguing that premise n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. No, my purpose was to see where the line is drawn on sexism. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Out of curiosity, why do you find it sexist? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Look at it this way... |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Trent Lott wouldn't make that statement |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. If all someone really means is "Hillary is just Bush", then what is the need for the addition? |
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DissentIsPatriotic (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Slippy McFallsdown n/t |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Good points |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
19. It's sexist if you're predisposed to reading sexist subtext into negative comments about Hillary n/t |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. DING! DING! we have an astute winner |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. Or, perhaps it's sexist or not based on preconceived notions about Hillary? |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Maybe, but no one has even attempted to explain why it would be so |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
25. Sexist amongst other things...n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. Absolutely. |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. What about "Guiliani is just Bush in a dress" |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. Depending on context and intent... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
42. Why don't you tell Hillary that she's supposed to wear a dress. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
84. That's part of it, of course. |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. No, just stupid. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
54. This proud liberal "pushy broad" would beg to differ |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
57. No. Because Giuliani is also just Bush in a dress.... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. Depending on context and intent... |
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jakem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
114. well, seeing as he wore the dress |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Good point. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
102. I like that! It should be a bumper sticker! n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
66. James Carville IS Mary Matalin with a penis! |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
78. Hitler is just Bush in lederhosen (nt) |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. Context people. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Agreed. Context and intent are certainly factors. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
92. I'm really surprised by this poll. I'm learning a lot about Democrats today. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Careful... |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
93. I don't think it's sexist -- and I'm a Hillary supporter |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
95. No. Next Question. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
99. Well, my understanding is that if we make a implication |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Your response indirectly made me think of something... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. I think you're right. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I think that's an accurate statement |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Should've known better. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
107. sexist? that's subjective. |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
110. No opinion, but dam.. was a job reading the responces.. |
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