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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:35 PM
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A letter to Obama about race-baiting
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:52 PM by 2rth2pwr
(This is not me speaking or writing, this is pulled from a blog - follow the link)
http://blog.brendanloy.com/2008/01/a-letter-to-oba.html

I just sent the following letter to the Obama campaign through their contact page:

Dear Senator Obama,

Like many Americans, I have been inspired by your message of hope and change, and by your belief that politicians should be able to "disagree without being disagreeable." Your victory speech after the Iowa caucuses gave me goose bumps -- and I am usually a jaded political junkie, not prone to such emotional reactions. But your campaign is something special, or so it has seemed to me. Thus, in the past few weeks, I've changed from a tentative Hillary Clinton supporter to a tentative Barack Obama supporter.

I am deeply concerned, however, by recent events surrounding your campaign. Media reports indicate that a number of your supporters and surrogates have suggested that recent remarks by Bill and Hillary Clinton were racially insensitive. Yet the remarks in question, while perhaps substantively wrong, had nothing whatsoever to do with race. Criticism of the Clintons' statements should be limited to the actual substance of what they said, without resort to such divisive rhetoric. I urge you to publicly disavow the cynical tactic of using race as a wedge issue, and to dissociate yourself from anyone who persists in using such tactics.

Bill Clinton's description of your Iraq narrative as a "fairy tale" may be factually incorrect and wrong-headed, and if so, you should rebut it on its merits. But it is certainly not racist; to claim otherwise is ludicrous and offensive. Likewise, Hillary Clinton's comments about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. may have inappropriately downplayed the importance of ideals and rhetoric, and if you believe that, you should say so. But again, there is no reasonable way to interpret her comments as being racist.

Although I am inclined to support you over Hillary Clinton, I believe the Clintons' record on racial issues speaks for itself. They are by no means racists. Now, of course, their record should not insulate them from criticism if they were to say something genuinely insensitive. But that is not the case here. As I said, their remarks may be wrong-headed and worthy of criticism on their merits, but there is absolutely no reason for anyone to imply that the remarks are racist, and it is deplorable and indefensible to do so.


When I read Illinois State Senate President Emil Jones, a prominent supporter of yours, arguing that Bill Clinton should refrain from criticizing your record (specifically, the "fairy tale" accusation on Iraq) because he and Hillary Clinton "owe the African-American community" for "saving his presidency," I am frankly disgusted. The African-American community is not a monolith, and no one should argue that substantive criticism of an individual African-American leader is somehow off-limits because of past support from other African-Americans. Assuming Mr. Jones was not misquoted, I urge you to disavow his comments and, if he will not publicly renounce them, disassociate yourself from him. (If he was misquoted, I hope he can publicly clarify the record about what he actually said.)

Similarly, I am deeply concerned when I read that Rep. James Clyburn is reportedly thinking about endorsing you in part because he believes it was racially offensive for Bill Clinton to state that your message of unity and optimism is a "fairy tale." First of all, that is not what Bill Clinton said; it was perfectly clear that his remarks were focused entirely on your Iraq position. Secondly, even if the former president had been calling your hopeful message a "fairy tale," that would be, again, wrong-headed but not racist. If Rep. Clyburn chooses to endorse you, I have no doubt that you'll accept his endorsement, and I don't blame you for that. But I hope you will make clear that you do not believe that the Clintons have said anything racially insensitive, as they have not.

A key reason I have been inspired by your campaign is because of your promise to change the tone of Washington's discourse, to move away from the bitter politics of the past toward a more hopeful and united future. Yet this sort of cynical, divisive race-baiting is a prime example of the very sort of poisonous tactics that have made our politics so bitter in the first place.

It is absolutely imperative that you avoid being associated with these race-baiting tactics. If you are to convince voters like me that you really intend to follow through with your promises of a new, more hopeful politics that unites rather than embitters, you must take a clear stand on this issue. Statements and actions that are truly racist or insensitive should of course be harshly criticized, but inventing racism where none exists for political or tactical advantage is deplorable and has no place in the sort of hopeful America that I hope to see you lead.

Sincerely,

Brendan Loy

P.S. By the way, I am a registered voter in Tennessee, which holds its primary on February 5. I will be closely following this issue, among others, as I finalize my decision of whom to vote for. I hope that, in the end, I will be able to cast my ballot for you.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:39 PM
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1. Outstanding!
:thumbsup:

:yourock:

Hillary and possibly John need to get similar letters ... the staffers and mouthpieces are out of control.

--p!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM
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2. I agree
The onus should not be on Obama's shoulders alone.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:40 PM
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3. kick
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shrdlu Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:42 PM
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4. Excellent...
...and, unfortunately, much needed.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:43 PM
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5. "But other black Clinton supporters found themselves wincing at the Clintons’ words..."
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:44 PM by ProSense
But other black Clinton supporters found themselves wincing at the Clintons’ words, if not questioning their intent.

A Harlem-based consultant to the Clinton campaign, Bill Lynch, called the former president’s comments “a mistake” and said his own phone had been ringing with friends around the country voicing their concern.

“I’ve been concerned about some of those comments — and that there might be a backlash,” he said.

link


Maybe it isn't Obama!


Why does that Brendan guy's blogroll link to Drudge?
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:48 PM
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8. If you are saying the whole "fairy tale" comment is racist, tell me how. I genuinely don't see it.
I have not been online today so excuse me if I am asking a question that has been asked 100 times today. If this is the case, just give me the link.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:53 PM
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11. That's not me, that's a Clinton campaign consultant! Still, who said that? n/t
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:05 PM
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16. No, you said "Maybe it isn't Obama!" Tell me how. You can't have it both ways.
To innocently post and then comment and then step back and say "That's not me, that's a Clinton campaign consultant!" is punk.

I am not even a Hillary supporter, she has long been eliminated from my list of prospects. However, I refuse to let people get stupid in using the race card.

Fairy tale

Fairy tale

Fairy tale

Fairy tale

Tell me the racial component there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:08 PM
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18. Maybe is isn't Obama
because a Clinton consultant is complaining about the comments and getting complaints?

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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:19 PM
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22. So why your support? You seem to be ducking that question rather poorly.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:15 AM
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23. He links to a diverse set of sites
Daily Kos, TPM, etc. are also in his list of sites.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:51 AM
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29. Good point ... I'd also note that The NY TIMES described HRC's LBJ remarks as "peculiar" ...
which given their extreme tactfulness says a lot LOL

I think this thread is, as usual, putting the sole or at least main onus on Obama, thus blaming the victim. The pattern of race-baiting in the campaign is REAL, and is not generated from Obama supporters (protestations to the contrary notwithstanding)
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:45 PM
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6. Update...same author
UPDATE: I only just now read this from today's New York Times article about the issue:

“Voters have to decide for themselves what they think of this,” said Bill Burton, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, declining to discuss the matter further.
That's not acceptable, obviously. Obama needs to distance himself from this crap, and fast, or he will risk losing my support (and I bet I'm not the only one). The prospect of having a president who will allow his surrogates to cry "racism" whenever anyone criticizes him -- about anything, no matter how unrelated to race -- is not something I want to deal with for four or eight years.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:57 PM
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14. Obama's making a mistake
by not addressing this. Totally unacceptable.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:47 PM
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7. Amen!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:50 PM
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9. With all due respect, your letter should be addressed to the MEDIA
Instead. They are the ones choosing to report these incidents. The Obama campaign is not involved.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:50 PM
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10. UPDATE 2:
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 10:51 PM by ProSense
UPDATE 2: Welcome, InstaPundit readers! Well, that should help with the "percolation" process. ;)


Cool, the RW!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:13 PM
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20. self-delete
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 11:19 PM by rodeodance
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:55 PM
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12. It's about time.
:applause:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:56 PM
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13. Yeah, it's about time
we started posting RW hit pieces
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:03 PM
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15. That's your rebuttal? Weak. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:06 PM
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17. No, here is
the rebuttal.

Still, it's telling that this author is relying on a wingnut site to populate the Internet with his letter.

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:18 PM
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21. Do you have any idea how goofy you look?
When a blog has a post that generates interest, good or bad, it generates links. Kind of like the links you keep putting in your posts, anyway when this happens you can see these links and they are called trackbacks. You can get trackbacks from all over the blogosphere left, right, bdsm, chicken lovers, ufologists- just about anyone and depending on the amount of people who follow those links, it will increase your readership. With increased readership you can sell ads, get your ideas spread further, etc.. It's actually what you want to happen, to see a crude but graphic example of how this works, check out www.memeorandum.com.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:35 AM
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25. Do you have any idea how idiotic your response is?
The author's claim:

UPDATE 2: Welcome, InstaPundit readers! Well, that should help with the "percolation" process. ;)


Now imagine someone on DU getting excited because Drudge (which is also linked to at the OP blog) is using a DU post to smear a Democrat.

Do you know the author's motives? Do you know him to be a reliable source?

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:59 AM
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26. Here's his complete blogroll, wide spectrum.
But can you deal with the content? Guess not.

If you can't refute this well written plea, just admit it.

* Drudge
* The Politico
* Mark Halperin's The Page
* NY Times The Caucus
* L.A. Times Top of the Ticket
* Political Wire | PW Newswire
* Real Clear Politics | RCP blog
* NRO's The Corner
* TPM Election Central
* TNR's The Plank | The Stump
* InstaPundit
* National Journal Hotline
* MSNBC's First Read
* Pollster.com
* Mickey Kaus
* Andrew Sullivan
* Daily Kos
* Talking Points Memo
* Huffington Post
* Kevin Drum
* Ann Althouse
* TAPPED
* RedState
* Matthew Yglesias
* Election Law Blog
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:14 AM
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27. UPDATE 3:
UPDATE 3: I just want to clarify one thing for new and infrequent readers. I am leaning toward Obama for the Democratic nomination, not necessarily for the presidency. The latter is a separate question, and one that I can't even begin to answer until I know who the GOP nominee is. So I'm just talking about the battle for the Democratic nomination at this point. And among the Dems, Edwards is totally out of the question for me, so Clinton and Obama are the only two viable options.

I used to favor Clinton because I felt she'd be a steadier hand on foreign policy, but after a while, I began to sour on her due to the endless divisiveness and triangulation of the Clintons (and my lack of desire to replay the pitched political battles of the '90s), coupled with a sense that her "experience" isn't all it's cracked up to be, and -- not insignificantly -- my distaste for presidential dynasties. Meanwhile, I came around to the belief that I might be willing to take a chance on Obama with regard to foreign policy (depending on who he picks as his veep and other advisers), and that he's vastly preferable with regard to those other intangibles I mentioned. I haven't given too much thought to the candidates' domestic agendas, to be honest, in part because I get the sense that they're pretty similar. Anyway, Obama's soaring rhetoric after Iowa helped cement my positive impression of him, but it's by no means the sum total of the reason I've been tentatively supporting him over Hillary. And it certainly won't be enough to convince me to vote for him in November. (Well, unless he's running against Huckabee, in which case he could just sort of stand there mute for the entire campaign season, and he'd get my vote.)

More than anything else, what I'm looking for in a president in 2008 is a leader -- someone who inspires confidence in his or her competence, and someone who has a coherent, rational, non-radical philosophy on the important issues, coupled with an ability to articulate that philosophy in a way that can move us toward accomplishing things, toward solving our problems as a nation and a world. My personal opinions on a lot of issues, including some really important ones, are unsettled -- I have more questions than I have answers -- so I'm not necessarily looking for someone who passes a series of litmus tests on various issues. I'm willing to be persuaded on a lot of things. What I want, again, is a good leader, and someone whose judgment I feel I can trust. None of the candidates have yet convinced me that they fit the bill, but Obama and McCain are in their parties' respective driver's seats for me at this point (with Thompson maybe gaining some ground).


Brandon appears confused!

Clintons face nonsensical allegations of racism

Y'all know that I'm tentatively supporting Obama over Clinton in the Democratic primary race... but... can someone please explain to me how Bill Clinton calling Barack Obama's characterization of his position on Iraq a "fairy tale" is somehow "racial"?

I'm honestly baffled. Do black people tell their children lots of fairy tales? Is "fairy" not just an anti-gay slur, but an anti-black one? I just don't understand how this is remotely related to race at all, even arguably.

link


Brandon appears to have issues?


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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:41 AM
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28. Like what? he sounds like an independent, exactly the voters the eventual winner will need.
move along.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:09 PM
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19. Yours truly, James "Swiftie" Carville.
What lame joke.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 12:20 AM
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24. Yeah Brendan, it's called 'concern trolling' and we who blog regularly are very aware of it
Thanks for playing though!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:59 AM
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30. How is it Obama's fault people are taking offense to Clinton's words?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:13 AM
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31. They all seem to be his supporters and surrogates.
Is he a leader?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:55 AM
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32. bicycle kick
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