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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:50 AM
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Kerry and Kerry supporters must work for unity (should he win the primary)
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 10:51 AM by darboy
If Kerry wants to win, he will need a unified front behind him. This cannot happen by the shaming & scaring method I see practiced here on DU. "If you don't vote for the nominee, you are a traitor" and "Bush is so horrible that we can't afford another 4 years" are not effective at swaying supporters of other candidates. It may be good enough for some people, but not enough people.

The only way to get most people to vote is to energize them in a positive way. Many factors work to oppose a person actually going to the polls. (1) "My vote won't make a difference; Kerry (or Bush)is going to win my state anyway" (2) "I'm so busy, I don't have time. He's electable, he'll win anyway." (3) "Politics has been so unexciting lately, who cares?" etc. These rationales are enough to overcome the fear and guilt tactics used to pull voters into line.

Kerry needs to make himself someone every Democrat, whether he or she supported Lieberman or Kucinich, would be proud to vote for. Kerry and his supporters need to work at this. They are in a unique position because their guy is the man; his neck is on the line in Nov. They need to:

(1) Not be insulting to supporters of other candidates. Ralph Nader is waiting for anyone who is alienated by the Kerry machine. We cannot have that. Remember, every voter has to overcome all those rationales for not voting. If some supporter has been a jerk to that voter, it'll be easy to fall into those traps. NEVER ASSUME YOUR BASE WILL TURN OUT.

(2) Not attack other Democratic candidates, especially ones that have dropped out (that is particularly classless). Dean had the same problem at times when he was the front runner. It doesn't foster unity for the same reasons as stated in (1).

(3) Represent the base in the GE. Do not try to pander to "swing voters". Swing voters are who they are because they are more practical than ideological. That means they vote for whichever message is better for their interests at that particular moment. They don't really have positions or strong feelings about a lot of issues. If they did, they would be politically active, and would probably be a member of a party, and thus part of a base. They are also least likely to vote. For these reasons, you cannot use them as your base, like the dems tried to do in 2002. To get swing voters, do what Bush does, try to convince them your base's ideological preferences on issues are better for them than the other side's.

(4) Not make your campaign the "I'm not Bush, so vote for me" campaign. Swing voters don't hate Bush, but they do hate politicians who have no positions and who appear to be pandering to everyone. Kerry needs to be unafraid of taking the Dem message to them. The repubs won congress in 1994, not because they became Dem lite, but because they took clear positions (The Contract with America)and sold them to the voters. The Democrats did badly in 2002 partially because some of them ran ads showing how they worked with George Bush, and confused everyone. They offered nothing to grab any voter's attention, while George Bush was out there pushing the Repub message. No Republican would have ever put out an ad linking himself to Bill Clinton. Know why? Because the base would have been furious and stayed home and the Repub would have lost.

(5) Stand up to Bush. Don't cower when he challenges you. Don't obfuscate. Defend yourself and hit back. Everyone likes a fighter, especially the base. People were drawn to Dean because he defended his DLC-unfriendly positions against attacks and hit Bush all the time. kerry needs to say things like "We are not safer because of Saddam Hussein's capture." That ability to tell the truth shows he has guts. People admired that Dean he stood his ground. Kerry needs to do that, even when the issue or position seems like a sure loser.

I hope the Kerry people take this advice. I really want to work to elect a good president, but I, and many other non-Kerry supporters cannot take being marginalized. Unifying the party takes work. Let's win AND be a party again!


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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:53 AM
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1. Bravo!
Well said! :toast:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 10:55 AM
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:00 AM
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3. You're 100% right
Sadly, many Kerry supporters want to rub Dean supporter's noses in the fact that he is about to get the nomination. There's a saying in sports...act like you've been there.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:04 AM
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4. Aint enough time left!
"Kerry needs to make himself someone every Democrat, whether he or she supported Lieberman or Kucinich, would be proud to vote for."

He should have started about 30 years ago!
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:12 AM
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5. The myth of swing voters
The problem with swing voters is not that they are more practical. They are just more fickle.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:21 AM
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7. it depends on whose message they're hearing
I am conifdent that if the public heard the anti-war message, many more of them would have opposed the war. Its hard to get around one-sided coverage unless you have an ideology. Swing voters are practical, its that they only hear what is told to them, they don't actively seek an alternative message.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:32 AM
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9. Stop playing the victim
You know that if the war truly was a mistake then no amount of media propaganda could influence the public otherwise.

Stop wearing victimhood as a badge. /sarcasm
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:56 AM
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14. At least they vote.
That's more than we can say for Dean supporters.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:47 AM
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21. Poop!
EOM
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:15 AM
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6. Like last night?
When Kerry just chuckled aside every time DK spoke?

He has lost my vote, should he become the nominee.

Signed,
Democrat for 42 years.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:26 AM
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8. go here
for an example of how Kerry should approach the issue of universal health care to swing voters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1170005
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:35 AM
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10. I think all Kerry supporters are being held accountable
for the actions of a few who may not even be supporters, if you know what I mean. If they are, they should knock it off, but I feel there are just as many anti-Kerry people here who are being real jerks and are hurting the Democrats cause.

And here is a real shocker. Some of these same anti-Kerry folks a few months ago were telling us our candidates were not going to win and we better get on board with them. Only their language was not that polite. And this was before one vote was cast.

The plea for sympathy and time for the drop out candidate's supporters to come to grips with it are all fine. But if they are going to keep on bashing Kerry or Edwards during this time and post vicious articles from right wing sources, my sympathy has run out.

I am not addressing former supporters of drop out candidates who are simply not endorsing Kerry. They surely have that right.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:38 AM
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12. you have a special burden none of the other supporter have
your guy is the nominee and he has to get the other supporters to vote for him.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:37 AM
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11. Hello Darboy - don't generalize the actions of a very very very few
Edited on Fri Feb-27-04 11:41 AM by emulatorloo
I really appreciate the things you are saying, but I hope you can understand I am only seeing a small number of JK posters doing what you are saying.

Sometimes I wonder if those posters are really Dems, or if they are just trying to split us all up re "Divide and Conquer"

Sometimes the genuine Kerry posters get provoked by other really extreme posters, who I also wonder about, given that their criticisms of Kerry seem to almost be vindicating Geo Bush. More "Divide and Conquer?"

For the most part, JK posters here seem to be stand-up folks who are just as inclusive as anybody else.

Kerry has been fighting Geo Bush fast and furious. This is good.

Thanks again for your post.

ON edit add adjective
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:18 PM
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18. Could you explain yourself please?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:29 PM
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19. Which part do you want explained? n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 11:47 AM
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13. THANK YOU!
a political type with people skills?!

you should get paid for this or something
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:01 PM
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17. if you're willing...
I'm willing ;-)
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:01 PM
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15. Thanks for the thoughtful post. Too bad none of the offenders
Has even taken the time to comment on it.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 03:37 PM
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20. A waste of time
With posts like the one below. I'm not kissing anybody's ass. People can decide whatever they want to. Voters are all grown ups. The issues are clear.

"Kerry needs to make himself someone every Democrat, whether he or she supported Lieberman or Kucinich, would be proud to vote for."

He should have started about 30 years ago!"

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:52 AM
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22. I guess we'll all see you attacking Dean some more, correct sandnsea? (nt)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 12:01 PM
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16. Good luck with that
really.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:58 AM
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23. Your candidate could take some tips from you.
The last debate.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:02 AM
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24. I have been waiting for this thread
I hope everyone unites behind the candidate - whomever he is. It is a CHOICE thing. If you care to take your vote elsewhere - well, this is a FREE country - for now.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:08 AM
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25. Listen. After there is one man standing and we have our nominee the...
...humoring of people is going to stop from me. I will have no time to try to explain to you or anyone else why Bush has to go after that point. I will be too busy trying to accomplish the goal of beating Bush. Because if you have not figured out the importance of removing Bush and his minions by then you never will. So if someone is willing to assist in that goal, that is good and I welcome you. If someone is going to be too heartbroken because their candidate did not make it that they are incapable of assisting in removing Bush, that is fine too. Just stay out of our way while we do it. Now on the other hand, if someone is going to actively try and hurt the Dem nominees chances of beating Bush that will be a completely different thing. Ralph Nader can eat shit and die as far as I care. So there you go.

Don

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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:09 AM
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26. Based on Kerry's past...
I wouldn't count on it:

...

'The Yale Liberal Party, of which I am a member and John Kerry used to be chairman, passes on many unpleasant stories about him. According to Liberal Party lore, Kerry was among the worst chairs in its history. Jorge Dominguez, currently a professor at Harvard and a member of Kerry's Liberal Party Executive Board, reports that under Kerry's leadership the party went on YPU probation. Probation means that the party's leader could not get enough of the party's members to sign a YPU attendance roster. Although getting people to sign in turns out to be a surprisingly arduous job, very few chairmen fail to do it in the end. Not getting enough signatures suggest one of two things: either the chairman faced some unfortunate circumstances or he has some personality problems. According to Dominguez, Kerry's leadership caused his probation.

In order to get back at Kerry, members of the Liberal Party formed the Dixwell Society. By now, the group is largely defunct, although it still officially meets during Liberal Party reunions and its story gets retold for everyone wishing to hear. The society's major point was to include every former chairmen except one who most people disliked. You can guess who. In addition, the News' article reports that due to its conflict with Kerry part of the Liberal Party split off to form the Party of the Left.

But wasn't Kerry later elected YPU president? It is true that he got elected. It proves much less then you think, however. First of all, the YPU presidency is a hard and often thankless job that very few people actually want. A person usually becomes political union president through some mixture of personal desire and Tammany Hall-like backroom deals. In my experience, very few political union officers get elected because they are liked or respected.

Personally, I would not let Kerry circa 1966 run a public toilet, let alone a country. Hopefully, today's Kerry is a different man. Perhaps his service in Vietnam changed him for the better. Perhaps time has changed him. But maybe he has not changed. Recently Kerry mentioned that George Bush remains the same guy he was in college. If Bush didn't change, why would Kerry?'

...

Kerry's leadership in YPU was lackluster performance
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