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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 AM
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What Obama should do...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 AM by origin1286
Is find away to casually slip some of the allegations made by Larry Patterson and Jerry Oppenheimer into the conversation.

"Larry Patterson confirmed that he frequently heard Bill Clinton use "n*****" to refer to both Jesse Jackson and local Little Rock black leader Robert "Say" McIntosh."

"Patterson said Hillary was no stranger to the "N" word either. He heard her say "n*****" "probably six, eight, ten times. She would be upset with someone in the black community and she would use the 'N' word..." "

"It's all in the family: Captured on videotape when Arkansas state police had Hillary's brother-in-law Roger Clinton under surveillance for dealing cocaine in 1984, Roger stated: "Some junior high n****r kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n****r down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n****r down, he let him up. The n****r blindsided him." "

"The slur was uttered at a heated, finger-pointing session at Bill Clinton's Fayetteville, Ark., campaign headquarters on election night in 1974, following his defeat. "You fucking Jew bastard!" Hillary yelled at Paul, Mary Lee confirmed -- even though Paul Fray is not Jewish.

In the room that night were Bill Clinton; his then-girlfriend Hillary Rodham; Paul Fray, Clinton's campaign manager; and Fray's wife, Mary Lee. Another campaign worker, Neill McDonald, was just outside the door and heard everything. Paul Fray is a Baptist but his heritage is Jewish; his paternal grandmother was Jewish, and Bill and Hillary knew of his heritage.

Mary Lee Fray said that Hillary not only used an anti-Semitic slur but she shouted it so loudly "it rattled the walls." "It was very clear," she said. "Bill Clinton's face became white as a ghost." "



He can't be connected to re-releasing these articles, but if Hillary gets really stuck with the racist tag, bye bye.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:15 AM
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1. What Obama should do
is start running on the issues instead of mudslinging and playing the race card.

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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:16 AM
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3. He hasn't been
Hillary has forced it on him. If you don't see that you should probably quit life.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:17 AM
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5. Obama isn't using the race card, nor is he mudslinging.
But perhaps you can list where he is? seriously. I need to know if there's something I missed, or which other's have missed, so that things can be nipped in the bud.

What has happened?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:19 AM
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10. Ditto. Seriously - This isn't coming from Obama.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:22 AM
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13. The OP is a freeper troll
Don't attribute his gutter shit claims to Obama supporters.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:15 AM
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2. Bye bye for Obama for bringing it up.
Remember, race trumps sex. The ONLY road Obama can win on, is by using the high road. The reason why he's not 'Sharpton/Jackson' is because he's the Michael Jordan of politics, right now.

And Mike never, ever, discussed race.
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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:16 AM
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4. Which is why he can't be connected
But if the media just happens to be reminded of these articles...say...drudge?

Well then...
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:19 AM
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11. Obama doesn't need to do anything. White voices, white faces, do.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:34 AM by Anouka
Remember........... when blacks speak about race, they are not taken seriously. Get a white to say the same thing, and suddenly it's a 'revelation'.

Who was that professor in Indiana who looks white, but claims to be black and has the geneology to prove it, who first talked about this (to my remembrance) back in the late 80s and early 90s? I believe his college started with an 'E'... a very old college, not Earlham.

You know, just to ensure Obama is able to stay on the path, because everything -- EVERYTHING -- comes back, in the electronic age. Positivity over whispers.

Thank you for writing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:17 AM
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6. What you should do is provide links to what anyone said. Otherwise,
you won't be believed. By me or anyone else.
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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:18 AM
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7. Workin' on that for you
Seeing if Newsmax archived their articles.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:24 AM
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14. I don't think Newsmax is acceptable on DU. Care to pipe up, DUers? nt
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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:29 AM
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15. New York Post July 17 2000
July 17, 2000, Monday

WITNESSES SCOFFING AT HER DENIALS

BYLINE: Robert Hardt Jr.

SECTION: All Editions; Pg. 004

LENGTH: 436 words



Paul and Mary Lee Fray laughed at the first lady's contention yesterday that she doesn't remember the fight they had with the Clintons on Election Night in 1974.

"Damn, that's good," Paul Fray chuckled from their home in Sherwood, Ark.

The Frays - along with a third campaign worker - allege that Hillary Rodham Clinton called Paul a "f- - -ing Jew bastard" following Bill Clinton's unsuccessful run for Congress.


Mrs. Clinton denied the epithet yesterday, saying that she didn't take part in any fight with the Frays and that she didn't even remember the third accuser, college coordinator Neil McDonald.

"It's incredible that she says she doesn't know who Neil is, because he lived with Hugh and Tony right around the time of the election in Fayetteville," Fray told The Post.

Virtually every Clinton biography mentions the major dustup between the Clintons and the Frays after Clinton's narrow loss to GOP incumbent John Paul Hammerschmidt.

But only Jerry Oppenheimer's "State of a Union" - to be released tomorrow - includes the Frays' and McDonald's charge that Mrs. Clinton made the anti-Semitic remark.

"First she's saying she didn't say that to me and now she's saying she can't even remember this fight?" Fray asked.

"What a lie!"

The Frays also addressed

a two-page handwritten letter that Paul sent Mrs. Clinton in 1997.

The letter, dated July 1, says: "At one time in my life, I would say things without thinking, without factual foundation and without rhyme or remedy unless it furthered my own agenda.

"I said a lot of things that were unfair about Hillary in connection with that race and her relationship with Bill.

"But what she called me was a fact."

Ron Addington, a senior staffer in Clinton's 1974 campaign, said he has no doubt that there was a major fight between the Clintons and the Frays - but can't believe that Hillary would have used a racial epithet.

"I wasn't there the night of the fight, but it was common knowledge that there was a big showdown between them. She had a big fight with Paul at least one time before," Addington told The Post.

"Hillary said a lot of things - some of them not so nice to Paul - but I can't imagine her using an ethnic slur," Addington said.

Addington also said Hugh and Tony Rodham lived for a time in his apartment - not Neil McDonald's.

"It is very, very possible that Hillary doesn't remember Neil, but he was in headquarters every day," Addington said.

"He was a hard-working college student but he wasn't a big player in the campaign."

McDonald couldn't be reached last night.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:40 AM
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17. These smears are also unnecessary, especially considering
your source and no link. Enough!
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origin1286 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:41 AM
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18. Can't link to LexisNexis
But if you have access go to Lexis Nexis academic ---> Sources ----> New York Post ---> July 17 2000
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:47 AM
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19. No, I don't. So don't post a damn thing you can't back up. That's
the lesson I've learned on DU. O8)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:18 AM
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I've seen this stuff at FR for years now
It's sad, really.

--p!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:18 AM
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8. Obama should ignore your post! Including his name in the title of this thread is despicable! n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 AM by ProSense
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Bishop Rook Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:19 AM
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9. What Obama shouldn't do
Is stoop to dirty tricks like this one. If there's something that needs to be said, Obama can say it himself. If he won't say it himself, then he shouldn't use shady surrogates to do it.

We can't criticize Clinton for doing it then suggest Obama do it right back.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:21 AM
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12. Mr Anderson back for more TROLLING
Go fuck a duck.

How did this douchebag make it to 231 posts before going back to posting his same old tired shit from the other night?????

This is the very unsuccessful troll Mr Anderson posting more insane crackpot theories to divide this board.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:32 AM
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16. You're a little behind. Catch up. nt
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