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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:39 AM Original message |
Hillary's strategy working; party splits along race lines |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'd argue it's Obama's strategy |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes, Obama wants to split the party along racial lines |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yes |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. So you think Obama wants to... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. What bridges would he be burning? |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Whites will rush to defend whites, blacks will rush to defend blacks |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. You are very ignorant |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Not if its whites calling her racist |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Wow |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Ah but thats the beauty of it |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. I see |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I don't hold Hillary responsible for things |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm holding him responsible for this. |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. That was never given to the media |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It wasn't? |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Pardon |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. even if you were right |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Geez, hasn't one of you come yet? |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I did a while ago |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
61. exactly right -- and see my longer comment on this delving further ... |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
59. It isn't only or mainly making BO's camp act in ANY way -- let me explain provokatsiia: |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. must be a snug fit |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #66 |
78. archtypical troll response |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. yes |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. no, rather my arguments should be considered and responded to on the SUBSTANCE, not just with ... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I found no substance in your post |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. pure, lame cop out |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Thank you |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
76. Which is more numerous? - the answer actually is blacks in post NH primaries pre 2/5 |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. I recommend you check your math |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
73. You all keep saying that Obama's camp is trying to do this |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
82. So the memo was what? |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. They ARE politicizing race |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. they are not even doing THAT |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. That's because you refuse to understand |
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fletcherwalker (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Why, that makes as much sense as the Clintons being racists! |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. maddiejoan is correct. This is BO's strategy and it will blow up |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #42 |
64. Total BS -- I explain it more fully in comment #59 |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Your argument would be wrong. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Obama's campaign |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Obama's campaign hasn't said much about it. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 AM Original message |
delete dupe |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. uh huh |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Blame the media. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. So was McClurkin's |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. lol, so you lost that argument. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Not at all |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. They were both wrong |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. You confuse one person NOT A SPOKESPERSON or leading supporter w/ a PATTERN, reaching to the top ... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. I can form a pattern of behaviour |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. Recognizing a pattern of race-baiting behavior by the HRC campaign takes NO PROJECTION whatsoever .. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Then why distort the statements? |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. again with the solipsism -- assume your spin true, then reason from that |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. read this |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. That internal memo was merely a press summary of an ONGOING MAJOR controversy |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Then why does the internal memo |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. It's important not to conflate an investigation whose conclusions YOU SUPPORT, with ... |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. No they don't. Almost all, including me, admit it was wrong. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. And I condemn Bob Johnson's comment |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. ALMOST all? I don't know of a SINGLE exception at DU |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
67. I have been one of the LEADING defenders of Obama on the 'McClurkin' thread in recent weeks & NEVER |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #67 |
81. I have |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. "You have" what? Found people defending McClurkin or saying "Get over it"? The latter ... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I have found people defending |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Another typical ploy -- shifting the goalposts |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. I'd say |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Yes, Maddie that is Obama's strategy. He has a secret plan for increasing the |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. No |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. The heading for your thread is flame bait |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. BS |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
8. Oh goody, another whites vs. blacks thread. |
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Bad Thoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. It's a post about campaign tactics, not racial divisions |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. No it's not. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
10. How would Hillary benefit from that? n/t |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. If Obama has 100% black support and Hillary even has 50+% whites... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. But she's starting with only roughly 50% of all voters to begin with. |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Win now, deal with that later |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. So you are a Clinton 'insider" who knows or maybe even |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. It's obvious |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Theoretical Bullshit |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
72. so what you're implying is: ordinary citizens (ones highly political) can't discern HRC's strategy |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. That's exactly what's going to happen if she keeps it up. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
71. see my explanation comment #59 |
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RoveRage (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. And we hand yet another election to the criminals. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. The party is not split. These are the primaries. . |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
74. It isn't "nonsense" from "Hillary-bashers" but swarms of protestating |
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zozosmom (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
20. You mean OBAMA's strategy |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
21. You mean Obama's strategy to pry away the African American vote from Hillary |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Your argument makes no sense |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
75. Furthermore, w/Oprah & others, Obama was already beginning to consolidate black support |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. If there is such a strategy it will pale compared to the greatest such political strategy ever |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
27. Link, please |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
29. First you claimed: "Hillary doesn't give a damn if Obama has 100% black vote. " Now this? |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. She doesn't |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Thanks for your concern! n/t |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
33. and why not, she won't have to talk about her war votes /nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
46. If such a smarmy strategy does work as Uncle Karl Rove advises, then we're all SCREWED. |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Won't happen |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Then, if your narrative proves correct, the USA will fully realize a *right wing duopoly.* |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
68. You really believe that? |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
77. It is also tactically imperative HERE for authentic progressives to address the presence of SWARMS |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
65. Big Dawg will be MOVING his Office soon, too. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
84. I think Hillary's strategy is backfiring according to Rassmussen's poll... |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
88. self delete |
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demo dutch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
90. Have we not learned anything? Both candidates need to calm down, or it's going to hurt the Dems in |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
95. It's like the tears...it can't be a long-lived strategy. |
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auburngrad82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
103. Clinton can't win without the black vote and Obama can't win without the whites |
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