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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:29 PM Original message |
Folks, Here's the basic problem with NAFTA |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't forget Chapter 11! |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree w/redqueen |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Much better term - anti-democratic |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Not only their profits, the profits they "would have made!!" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Oh excellent point, revcarol! POTENTIAL profits! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. like Enron's "Hypothetical Value Accounting" |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Kerry Has Already Written Legislation To End The Chapter 11 Issue |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks for that explanation |
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gula (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Canada had to pay $13 million to a US corporation |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. So how could you watch the debates last night and then claim that Kerry |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Actually NSMA I haven't watched yet |
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gula (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Most people would prefer food over phones |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I am well aware of that, and AGAIN it was addressed |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Going out on a limb here |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. In part I agree |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. BTW Redqueen..I want to say I respect your position |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Thanks, NSMA |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I beg to differ NSMA. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree DB..what left were JOBS that did not exist in the first place |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Backing up from an abject failure is. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And AGAIN Kerry pointed out where enforcing EXISTING law in NAFTA |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Isolationism was not my point |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. However in the past when we did that we elevated Canada and Mexico |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Improve the old without throwing out the baby with the bathwater |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Enforcing what there IS to enforce is at least a start that does not |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I hope Kerry will do the right thing |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I've never demanded hardening of the arteries |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. All true "One Size Fits All Trade" |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. My God, the sky must be falling! Did you just agree w/Armstead? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. NO |
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jhfenton (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. Basic economics |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. no, basic economics does NOT dictate any such thing |
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absyntheNsugar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. It also doesnt have any of the safety nets the EU has |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Doesn't the EU require that trading partners live up to their standards? |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. That's right about the EU |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
35. hey, Armstead, have you read |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I saw it in the bookstore |
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rhite5 (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
37. What about national sovereignty vis-a-vis enforcement of standards? |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-27-04 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
38. Cold Reality about NAFTA and WTO |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The cold reality -- free trade is bad economics |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. What kind of trade? |
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rhite5 (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I completely agree. |
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idlisambar (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I'm not arguing against trade... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. "We must continue to trade but move back to bi-lateral agreements..." |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
45. Bill Moyers & "Frontline" said it's "Chapter 13 of Nafta" that's big |
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