Here is a great comment by Digby about Obama's comments and Reagan

[Mass]

If you guys can stop for two minutes your talking points, you may enjoy read something by somebody who can still think. I know, for some here, it is hard, but still worth reading for some education.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/you-sir-are-no-ronald-reagan-by-digby.html

PS: Well, I guess that the point about talking points has been lost for some here. Apparently, some cannot just think by themselves.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. "disconcerting to hear him casually recount these Republican arguments without a clear disclaimer"

"But it's disconcerting to hear him casually recount these Republican arguments without a clear disclaimer, as if it's a matter of fact not opinion."
With more experience, perhaps Obama will hire someone who can still think, to keep him from sticking his foot in his mouth while his head's up his ass.

[Mass]

5. You miss this part

I hate to say it because I'm going to get mercilessly roasted alive, but with all that jargon about government growing and growing without "accountability in terms of how it was operating" and "dynamism" and "entrepreneurship" it sounds an awful lot like DLC boiler plate. They capitulated to the "Reagan Revolution" hype exactly that way in the 1980's and developed an entire political strategy around it. Here's their biggest star, with the movement fully realized in 1992:

[MethuenProgressive]

8. You mean - "You weren't supposed to read that part!"

:rofl:
Be careful what you link to - some of us actually check.

[Mass]

9. I did read it and found it a fair piece. Unfortunately, I forgot that Clinton people

were masters in distorting truth.

[vi5]

2. Wow, this really pissed me off...

Obama praising Reagan, not Digby's post (which was spot on). I'm sick of Obama's borderline Leiberman-esque pandering and adopting right wing talking points. I agree we need change and in some ways I vaguely get what he's trying to say. It just makes me really annoyed and uncomfortable and I'm not sure I trust it.

Of course I read what he said last night and was annoyed and then come in here to all the Hillary supporters posting 8 million Reagan related threads and I realize why I was so sympathetic to Obama in the first place.

I guess count me as one of the few one here who aren't fawing over "How great ALL our candidates are!!! Yay!!". To be honest with you in 20 years of being eligible to vote I've never sat out an election. But between how f'ng inneffective the Dems have been in the Senate and the House and a real lack of enthusiasm for all our presidential contenders (but particularly distaste for the top 2) I've never been closer to sitting out an election than I am with this one.

[depakid]

3. That's pretty fair commentary & analysis

Trouble is, things like this seem to have become a pattern over the past several months- and I don't see them changing.

[Maximus Invictus]

7. Obama is the new Flip Flopper!

Obama one day is JFK, another he is Reagan, Muslim, African-American, Latino, White, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Brown Sugar, Rock Star, Redneck, Pimp... Maybe someday we will see him as Bush Jr. :woohoo:

This guy will say anything to get the nomination. It´s really a smart move to get the independents to vote for him in the primaries, but in the General Election this positions will make that the Republicans eat him alive.

I really don´t like Hillary, but this was dirty shot against her. Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents in the history of USA.

That´s why i laugh when i see here some people saying that John Edwards seems like a cars salesman when he talks. Obama is the only one that deserves an Oscar for his performance as salesman. Just one?

Reagan was a nice fellow, and he really change and united the world. :sarcasm: » "Iran-Contra, Invasion of Grenada, creating Osama Bin Laden, Arming Saddam Hussein, and so on.."


I really wish that John Edwards could kick ass. For that he have to win a primary, and hope that the Media start to focus on him and on the real issues. I think his speech is the right one, but i think sometimes he needs to make some smart and smooth moves to reach out the independents. The problem is that some of the independents like vague and fairy tale stories. Well it´s up to him.

GO EDWARDS!

Sorry for my bad english.

From Europe with love...

[Buzz Clik]

11. You just suggested that Obama has painted himself as both a "Redneck" and a "Pimp"?

Wow. Most Edwards supporters don't engage in such incredible assholery. This is new ground -- low ground. Way to go.

[Tennessee Gal]

4. This summarizes the problem with what Obama said.

"They are not dead yet, far from it. It's not good to help them keep their myths alive while they recover from their bloodsucking overindulgence of the past couple of decades. If it's absolutely necessary to reach out to independents and Republicans in the primary, there are better ways to do it than evoking the name of the patron saint of the radical conservative movement."

[dkf]

6. Just like the bull who sees the red cape, too many can't think

once they hear the name Reagan.

[Buzz Clik]

10. Sorry, but I don't see this as much different than the rest of the chatter about Obama's comment.

It certainly didn't inspire any deep thinking -- just look at the posts above. They read Digby's rambling discussion, and go right back to where they were.

It was a good thought, but people are so entrenched that thinking is out of the question.

[Mass]

12. Yes, I realize that now.

[flordehinojos]

13. as post(er) #7 says, and i agree,

"Obama one day is JFK, another he is Reagan, Muslim, African-American, Latino, White, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Brown Sugar, Rock Star, Redneck, Pimp... Maybe someday we will see him as Bush Jr."

although, i think, we won't have to wait for "some day" to see obama as "Bush Jr.," because he is bush jr... he has no center, as noted by the above quote from post #7.

obama goes with the wind sock.

he doesn't intend to run government, he intends to have good advisors who will run the government for him, and that, bushit boy, has already said, is "hard work."

there is something to the myth of obama which likens him to the myth of jr. he is a creation of someone's figment of the imagination, just like the bushit boy is a creation of his mommy's, poppy's, bubba's and karl rove's imagination.

it is time for a change and obama is not the change.