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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:53 PM Original message |
Settling the "Dean did nothing for gays" canard |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. how about some links |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I was there in Vermont when it went on. . . |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Correct |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Hilarious |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Gross distortion |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. People who post garbage like this |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Here is another post of Brian's on the subject |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. More distortions |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. Get back to me when you have testimony from Vermont |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
90. Actually, I live in the area |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. I live in Vermont, and Brian is right |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. It's nice to see you around again, KK! |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Not really true |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It's never "late" to debunk a lie |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Deleted message |
Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Way to win support! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Deleted message |
janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Well it's always a good thing to be able to hear this |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
85. Wrong |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. What's "not really true" ? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. You think Kerry wasn't getting death threats when he advocated for gays |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The problem with that is that sometimes decisions have |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. If it further divides the nation in ways that sets the movement BACK? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Sorry, but I'm just not that scared, blm. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It's not a matter of fear. It's a matter of good sense. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The Black Panthers? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. As an example of different approaches, janx. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. There was no personal outrage. He quietly signed |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Actually, I am not against Dean's stand...I was speaking generally |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Take a stand? Like “I’m against gay marriage.” - Dean 1/4/2000 |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
86. This is taken completely out of context. n/t |
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jansu (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
87. That's what we already have! You have to get a Marriage License |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. They know it Brian |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Well this is one aspect of Gov. Dean that they shouldn't even |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Kerry and all he stands for is appealing to many of us liberals for 30+yrs |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
20. You're the one with the canard |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. Dean is a far cry different than Kerry on this |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Not so big of a difference... |
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KaraokeKarlton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. He didn't do it because Vermonters didn't even want Civil Unions |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. No one is implying Dean did anything less than good... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. He appears to support a Mass const. amendment calling for just that. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. calling for just what? |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. No, it's not a sign |
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Duder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
89. Perhaps you should try again.. |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. That's no difference |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. This again? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Well, you can either cut and paste snippets you select |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Brian isn't the only one |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Good for him! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. two points to make... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. People do tend to cherry pick sometimes... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Read the links in post 31 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
31. Here here...I've linked some articles on this below. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. These are great, but they're after the fact... |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Dean was the first to move forward with gay relationships in the USA |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. This is a far cry from the point of your original post |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Kerry supports anti-gay laws |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. for example? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. for example? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. for example? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. He said he would support a constitutional ammendment banning Gay Marriage |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. This is supposition |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. No it isn't |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yes it is. Currently, there is no constitutional amendment... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. what planet are you on |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What planet are YOU on? When did Congress vote on this Amendment? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You need to read more carefully |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. No, actually, you do... |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:24 PM Original message |
Finneran's amendment explicitly denies rights to same-sex couples |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
91. You are right I mistyped |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Thank you for taking this seriously |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. more untruths |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Dean was the first politician to stand up for gay partnership rights |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I'm not aware of Stonewall. |
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oxymoron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The Stonewall Riots |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Thank you. I was probably 11 or 12 years old then. |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. You need a lesson on Stonewell, luscious |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Wrong. Gays were being denied HOUSING and Kerry advocated for their rights |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Wrong. He chose Civil Unions because he is in favor of the seperation |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Perhaps that is what he thought, but it doesn't hold water, |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Why? Because he was a governor, not a cleric. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. True, but removing goverment restrictions on a religious act... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. No --he didn't want to impact the religious side of it at all, |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You know this... how? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. See my post #79, below. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I did, and it doesn't bolster your point |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. The government doesn't tell the churches whom they can |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Actually, it's Kerry who said it's a separation of church & state problem. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. He has stated that many times |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I didn't recall seeing it. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I can't provide a link now |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. blm, you probably didn't recall seeing it because he started |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
40. i rember when this happened |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Where was the school? In what state? |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. texas |
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. I agree, Dean could have did the easy thing |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-28-04 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
95. Dean's corpse |
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