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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:10 AM Original message |
How much responsibility does Hillary bear for the deaths of half a million Iraqi children? |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Screw the children! Lets talk about Reagan! nt |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I think praise of Reagan reveals how one would behave |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. .... good grief .... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Thank you for agreeing to screw the children and talk about Reagan! nt |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. The Chlorine ban mentioned in the article was main problem and was Bush41 rule that |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. A great deal ... and more. Unlike Obama, HRC voted "Yea" for continued use of Cluster Munitions. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. That's got to be worth a hundred thousand more or so. If she becomes prez, |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
81. United Nations sanctions against Iraq were imposed by the United Nations |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. Why does this matter when Obama mentioned Reagan for a hot second?? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. The sanctions started in 1990. How is that Hillary's fault again? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Umm, they continued for 8 years under her, err, I mean her husband's admin. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yes, and women's progress was set back a great deal |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. there were none....... people are not strategic goals |
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annie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. :(. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. They continued under her husband's watch and cumulated to a half-million dead children. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Must have been a booming funeral industry. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. IMO, that comment is *depraved* on far too many BASAL levels to warrant a thoughtful response. |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
45. ahhh, i have seen far worse from Aquart. that's one of the nicer ones. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Er, yes. Enormous human tragedy does lead to many funerals for children. So, ah...point to you? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. You're the one who buys the numbers. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. So you accept the conservative 227,000 estimate? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
85. How old were they? What's the age breakdown? Sex? |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. "Presenting the 500,000 deaths as proven fact, and as facts entirely accepted by the U.N. is wrong." |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. What is funny that you dispute it WITH NO OTHER FACTS! Ha ha ha! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Well, a minority claims that the number might be as low as 227,000. |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Hey, what's a measly 227,000 between friends? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's a shared burden. But I do hope that she at least thinks of this... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. "The neutrality of this article is disputed." |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Find better numbers then. It was good enough for Wikipedia's checkers to accept. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. They didn't accept it. That's the point of a dispute. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. That means that someone complained, not that Wiki doesn't accept it. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. here`s your better numbers--> |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Different but certainly not better. They are less accepted than the 500,000 figure. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. oh yes i totally agree |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
13. She's had six years to leverage her WH "experience" in the Sentate |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. none he was the president not her |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Now now! Those eight years as First Lady counts - even though she had NO Security Clearance & thus |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. it counts because she says it does.... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Oh so now I can assume she had no role in the good things from the Clinton admin as well, right? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. yes to my point |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. The Clinton supporters want it both ways... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. She seems to be claiming her WH years count as "experience." She can't have it both ways. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Coke 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. yes she can |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
24. But Obama made passing mention of Reagan! |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
89. Indeed! But why not Hitler or Stalin? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
30. You see how easy it is to put her on the hot seat? Guess why. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. Very little |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
35. WOW! Now that's a punch in the face! |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Thank you. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
42. Only 3 recs? There is more truth in this post then 1,000 "Reagan" posts!!! |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
46. Its on them PUBs and BUSH.....Not Hillary..... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Why would sanctions under Clinton be the fault of the "Pubs" and "Bush?" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The senseless shedding of innocent blood is on ALL American's hands. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. It was them Neocons and Bush who pushed the Iraqi war...add the PNACers too |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. We're not referring to the Iraq war. We're referring to the decade of sanctions that preceded it. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Don't fool yourself. We flew sorties every day during Clinton's admnistration. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. All right, "sanctions and an aggressive military posture including |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Thanks. I just wanted to get that straight. You really have a way with words. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Well, I think Chomsky is a brilliant man who did more to advance the science of linguistics |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
95. Thanks for that great answer! |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. What was happening in Iraq during Clinton's presidency? A low grade war, that's what. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Alright, then we vote red...get Hucky in there....he gonna pray them to death |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I wouldn't suggest doing that. Simply voting for a not-Clinton in the primaries. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
68. As an American, I am partly responsible for my country, I know that MOST politicians don't truly ... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Half a million is not a minor thing either. Pretty close to planned genocide. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
52. How come Hillary supporters don't want to deal with this now? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Glass cannons, all of them. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I like that phrase. "Glass cannons" Very true. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
54. wrong of me |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Interesting thesis. Care to elaborate? I thought she played a role in the Clinton Admin, no? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Edwards had a role in the Clinton administration? |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
62. Hillary's responsibility is probably equal to Bill's...? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Yes, a question! The skinny kid in the back with the pimples, you! Go ahead. |
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Writer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
69. The last time I checked, it was GEORGE W. BUSH who sent the troops to Iraq. n/t |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. History stretches back a wee bit further than that, Writer. nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Last I checked, there was a President before George W. Bush who did some things regarding Iraq. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Wouldn't it be nice if life were that simple? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
73. Don't you understand? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
76. Gore supported the sanctions |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. That's weird. I thought he wasn't running. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. He is the favorite of progressives now isn't he? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. How does that answer the question posed in the OP though? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:54 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. It doesn't |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
80. I'm going to venture that lifting the sanctions was too politically risky |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Undoubtedly so. However, ending the Iraq war would be politically risky as well, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. See that's another conundrum because Americans want to end the war... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. That sounds right. Hillary does not make politically risky moves anymore. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:56 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. It's not really ideals per se |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
84. do the math??? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
87. Oh, those poor dead babies! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Typical. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. That did nothing to answer the question. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
92. I guess God will have to sort it out. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. And may the Dear Lord have mercy! The *simplistic* real world blow-back is frightening |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
96. but but... shes made fucking change for 35 years! |
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wintersoulja (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
97. It was worth it, though! |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
98. If you read the Iraqi blogs, they are STILL pissed about the sanctions. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. And those were SUPPOSEDLY the good years, sandwiched between the Bush's! |
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