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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:51 PM Original message |
Whoa, whoa, WHOA. Do I smell hypocrisy on the part of Barack Obama? |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. It sure would be nice if candidates had total control over their supporters. |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. HRC supporters do not run smear campaigns |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. The blogs are not the only place damage is done. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Two questions |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. To answer your questions, it's a pro-Obama ally group. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You didn't answer the question |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Would you care to post the evidence? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. There is zero evidence of collusion. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. It isn't even a 527 |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. A union is defending its members |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I didn't say they didn't have the right, only pointing out the hypocrisy. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Here's the statement, where's Edwards' condemnation? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Both were/are outside groups, not involved with any campaign. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Strange reasoning |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. OK - I'm confused - an "outside group" can't co-ordinate -period - both cases needed |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Edwards said he can't control 527's |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Not true |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. the anti-Hillary tone of the CWU ad," - it is a racist ad appeal to "our people"-as to co-ordination |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. General treasury funds, yes, coming from union dues |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I agree - but there would be fines - just as with 527's - if there is "co-ordination" that is not |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. It's a line that I think they can draw... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. It's also paid for by a member fund |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Thanks. I was aware of that, but not the distinction it made. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Just adding info |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Oh, I didn't mean that snarkily... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. the union is 40% Hispanic |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Your point? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. It's 60% white/not hispanic |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Okay, 24% Hispanic... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Again, just adding info |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. Who is this 'supporter'? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Nope, I won't. Why? Because Obama attacked Edwards for something that he wasn't responsible for. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I don't know how.. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. BTW...I mis-spoke... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. IMO, Hillary has gotten so negative with her misleading fliers, the lawsuit, etc. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Maybe so. But that doesn't change how much of a hypocrite he looks after this. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Possibly. But I'm thankful it's not his campaign directly. Unlike the Clinton fliers. n/t |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. If you can't provide a LINK to a flyer |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. ... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. He isn't silent, you didn't do your homework |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. the blog smears from the obama camp |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
9. yes, very hypocritical of Obama - and have you seen what the ads say about Hillary? |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
47. here's a link |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
14. As an Obama supporter, I don't particularly like it, but after Hillary tried to use GOP tactics |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ever. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. But there's a big difference between a CAMPAIGN adopting these tactics... |
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neutron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. what bs |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. They are not getting extra privileges |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. These "independent" 527 groups are kept in business by a FEC looking the other way. Unfortunately, |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I am too. I agree with his position. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. This is paid by member funds, not any 527 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. No hypocrisy: Here's the difference |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Here's the hypocrite in his own words |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Where? A union isn't a 527, and Obama had nothing to do with the ad. So where? n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. They aren't 527's, but they are outside groups who are running advertisements like a 527. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. As clear as night and day that Obama is a lying hypocrite on this matter |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
36. When you consider making Hillary your second choice I have two words |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
38. my sentiments exactly n/t |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
48. Obama publicly challenged Edwards to disavow the attacks, attacks Obama considered unfair |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
51. The ad is unfortunate |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. He did |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
55. Obama railed against "special interest" groups running such ads just three weeks ago |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. And the same people who provided the fake outrage on DU are either silent or defending Obama. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. This is the "change" Obama will bring? Whatever suits him at a given moment |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
63. FWIW,Folks...looks like Kerry is "walking the walk" and really hustling in Nevada behind |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Kerry is and always has been a class act. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
65. Tell me something...exactly which 'state' is it that Edwards is going to take? nt |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. What does that have to do with the OP? Digs at my prefered candidate don't change the hypocrisy. |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I'm not making digs at your candidate. It is a question that I am curious about the answer to... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. If you want to know, launch a thread. Has nothing to do with my OP. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-18-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
69. Kick for hypocrisy n/t |
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