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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:51 PM
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Obama people--I have a nagging feeling that the better person is going to lose...
No, it has nothing to do with the "Reagan" dust-up yesterday--it has to do more with the Clintons. Seeing our former President explode on camera about the Nevada Union ruling...well, it just got me thinking, and then looking at poll numbers.

You cannot beat two lifelong politicians campaigning as one. I am angry and chagrined that former president Bill Clinton is basically being used as a 24-hour attack dog for his wife's personal ambition. I will honestly say that I feel betrayed by Bill Clinton for doing that, instead of remaining a mostly impartial figure in this heated race. It's never been done before by a former president, and to me it sets an awful precedent that history will not look kindly on. Nevertheless, it is (in my eyes) unbeatable. And unfortunately, the polls are proving this strategy works. We may see a Presidency shared by two people instead of one, and once again, as one of those people was ALREADY president, to me it's the worst idea we Democrats could possibly have had in this day and age.

I wanted a White House that someone could again rise to from humble origins, instead of on the back of nepotism and cronyism--a daring idea in the age of Bush and Bush Jr, election rigging, Katrina, corporate scandal, Immigration scare tactics, and so forth. It may be a strange thing, to see an America where people can get ahead regardless of who they were born to or who they are linked to by family connections. But I wanted it really incredibly badly, and with the Clintons it just isn't going to happen. Of course, they may not get into the White House. I'm fairly sure that I won't lift a finger to help Senator Clinton acheive her longtime goal, short of dutifuly voting for her in the General Election with my fingers squeezing my nose tight.


Now, to Obama. He made no fewer mistakes than any other first-time candidate for President, and perhaps even fewer than that. I've never seen him do an interview where he wasn't considering each question honestly and carefully, and choosing each word he was about to say meticuously. It's a style of politics that many of us aren't accustomed to, in this day and age of soundbite and flash. He was never the firebrand in interviews that he was during speeches, or the charmer that he was on the stump--he was just being as honest as he could possibly be. (Clinton--both Clintons--have appeared on television interviews, lying deliberately and directly to the American public. I suppose we're supposed to forget that at some point.) He's comitted no real scandal, no particular failure in leadership or ideas. To me he will always remind of a promising era of politics that may never surface--and I look forward to a long, fruitful Senate career, and perhaps another shot at the presidency some day. But against the Clintons' stacked deck, he has no chance, no prayer. I'll vote for him in February out of hope and loyalty. But for me, it's over. It's over.

And finally, to Clinton supporters and virrulent anti-Obama detractors. Congrats, you did it. You broke my spirit and sapped me of all my enthusiasm for this process. You reminded me of my complete failure to stand up to bullies back in grade school. You on one ocassion made me cry. So, I guess if you're the sort of person who takes pride in that, more power to you. Mea Culpa.

See you all in the Lounge,

Bicoastal
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:51 PM
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1. I sadly agree, Edwards is likely to lose NT
NT
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BarackBucks Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:52 PM
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2. That's the good ol' American spirit!
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:53 PM
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You mean Edwards of course.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:53 PM
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3. Don't give up, Bi! Follow your heart!!
:hug:


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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:53 PM
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4. Na' Obama will win. You just watch.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:54 PM
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5. You can't believe those polls!
The pollsters don't even believe those polls.

Stay positive!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:55 PM
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6. Well, it's possible.
But I've put up with 8 years of Bush, I can put up with 4 more years of the same bullshit. There's always 2012 if not now.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:55 PM
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7. Politics always devolves down to the lowest common denominator--lies, smears,
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:56 PM by wienerdoggie
low tactics and negativity win, for all that people seem to want to decry that stuff. Obama dabbled a little in it too, he's no pure angel. But it's two against one (a former President, at that), and combined with having to fight off Edwards as well, it's absolutely stunning how well this "new kid" has done, how few mistakes he's made. He is a rare political talent, and no matter what happens, I'll be proud of him.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:12 PM
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19. Oh, my word!
What do you call Oprah Winfrey? I'd say her influence is as great as Bill Clinton's, wouldn't you? It certainly gained Obama a hell of a lot of support. No one's won yet. There's a lot of pipe to crawl through yet, so to speak.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:20 PM
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20. I don't think Oprah made that big of a difference for him--I don't think
she's awarded the same credibility that a well-regarded former President is, and I certainly wouldn't have supported Obama just because Oprah did, I imagine countless others feel the same way. It didn't hurt him, and gave him some additional publicity, perhaps, but not much more than that. Besides, the Big Dawg is Hillary's famous daily attack dawg, while Oprah is staying out of the day-to-day political fray--unless Oprah has been scouring Hillary's and Edwards' records for things to slam them with, while I wasn't looking. All the same, whether Obama ultimately wins or loses, I don't think there's anyone who can say he didn't run an exceptionally skillful and inspiring race against a well-known heavy favorite.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:57 PM
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8. Obama was never supposed to win NV
He wasn't supposed to get this far. He was supposed to get his chance with SC and Super Tuesday states.

He still has a solid chance though, and the more the Clintons play old school dirty politics, the more support Obama will get.

Hang in there.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:58 PM
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9. Is this another Punk'd thread?
... just askin.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:00 PM
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10. Nah, it's for real.
Look at my former posts--you'll find I've been fairly consistent and--up until now--positive.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:01 PM
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11. Who's "the better person" really? And Obama has Michelle AND Oprah watching his back....
Playing the "Bill Clinton has too much star power" game is lame, especially when Obama is being hailed as the Rock Star, here.

And what about John Edwards? Way to pretend he's invisible...just like the MSM is doing!

You don't get to be President because you've made "fewer mistakes." And the race is far from over.

The defeatist attitude you are displaying is telling, though. If opponents to your favorite can 'break your spirit and sap you of your enthusiasm,' well, maybe your candidate doesn't have what it takes for the Big Show, or maybe you're just a fairweather supporter. Or maybe you need to be less sensitive, or use the IGNORE button more.

Your missive reads like a GBCW post without the actual GB part. That's all on you--no one's MAKING you give up and throw in the towel.

Maybe if we got down to comparing platforms instead of whining about bullshit we'd have a good discussion happening up in here. I blame all teams, including those supporting Saint Obama, for that kind of shit. You get out what you put in, generally speaking.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:02 PM
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13. I'm sure you're absolutely right.
I'm sure you're absolutely right.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:05 PM
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16. ding ding ding
look folks, politics is a nasty business, and if you think that the Clintons are playing dirty, wait till you meet the Republicans. this is the big question about Obama (and apparently some of his supporters) can he take a punch? i guess we'll find out.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:02 PM
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12. Why would you expect Bill Clinton to be on the sidelines?
it's his freaking WIFE, they've been together for 30 years.

I notice that you are critical of Senator Clinton's naked political ambition but not that of Senator Obama. Do you think he burns to be President any less than she does? really? or is ambition just wrong on a woman?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:03 PM
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14. I'm sure you're absolutely right.
I'm sure you're absolutely right.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:03 PM
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15. Both of em, Obama and Edwards
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:06 PM
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17. "Better"...hmmm...and that's a completely objective comment,
now isn't it?

You Obama people need to realize that the world does not revolve around your candidate and that other people have choices to deciding on their candidate.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:06 PM
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18. Well, I have a feeling that the BITTER person is going to lose...
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 03:07 PM by Kristi1696
Gobama!

You're just nervous right now. That's okay, we all feel it. But, I'll tell you, I'm normally a very cynical person, and I actually feel really good about his chances. Those polls don't mean squat. Every pollster in the country has said that they don't really know how to poll for this caucus. But they have to do something, otherwise they don't get paid, so they've churned out some worthless numbers.

One thing in particular to watch out for is how many Indies and Republicans actually do come out and caucus for Obama, even if it's just out of sheer Hillary hate. None of the polls have (or could) account for that.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:31 PM
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21. I understand your feelings
But hang in there. Clinton was always likely to win NV, and Obama has a good chance at SC. It will come down to 2/5.

I know what you mean about breaking with the past--it would be nice. Don't give up yet. Besides, unless you want 8 more years of Repub rule, we'll all need to pull together for whoever is the Dem nominee. We have a good chance this year no matter who it is.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:40 PM
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22. Cry me a river. If the harmless banter on this board can dishearten you...
...then you are not prepared for the propaganda onslaught that the Republicans will unleash in the autumn.
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