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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:06 AM Original message |
The Dean campaign: Fears of victory and civil war |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. I don't know anything about the infighting |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sound like the old poli-sci truism... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Thank you! |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Dr. Dean sought to spotlight issues and reform our party. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Could be another case of Dean saying whatever was on his mind |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
93. Its more of a case of try to divide the movement so they wont succeed |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. My thought also. I knew I was right about him. |
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bushwakker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Part of his appeal was that it wasn't about personal ambition |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Of course, the fact that the speech was first distorted and then |
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mountainvue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. That's not the point. |
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bushwakker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. the second he yowled it was over |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. Then why do people who were actually there say that it |
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bushwakker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. It looked bad on tv |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. I think Dean will continue to be a source |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, I think he wanted to be President .... |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. This doesn't surprise me in the least, |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Actually, all the Dems were nearly broke by January 1 |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Woah there liberalhistorian |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I see a lot of people trying to unite |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. The problem with what you see is that it isn't true, |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
89. What Dean meant |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. What nominee? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. the only "mismanagement of funds" was letting Trippi write his own checks |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
95. from the aforelinked article |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. It was mismanagement, plain and simple. No two ways to |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. The important part |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
83. I can face facts, but it's something of a slap in the face - from Dean. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Ooops...except it's not true. |
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drfemoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. Can you explain |
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Indiana Democrat (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. B-b-b-b-but......Wait? I thought it was the Big Bad Media's fault?? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Kerry's campaign had same problem but worse and earlier. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. That was one mistake that Dean did make. |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
63. Exactly! Dean stated he'd break up big media about 1 week before Iowa. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. It was the media. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. That Is The Biggest Load Of Crap About The Media vs. Dean |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Find the Hardball transcript...he advocated ownership regs for the media. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Read this article again, and notice carefully Kurtz's defense |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Exactly what was wrong with the Iowa speech?? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. A lot of people believe virtually anything they see on TV. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
14. Here's the goddamned deal |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Exactly. Kurtz took it upon himself to paper over all of that. |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. hear, hear! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
15. 5 pages in WP on Dean, and he is not even running. Wow! |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Yep, for a lot of chickenshits he ain't dead enough |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. Deleted message |
Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. The problem party has with us is that we are NOT dittoheads |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Funny, I keep hearing the same song, (ie. temper tantrum) |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. If you don't like it, why don't you skip the threads about Dean? |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. If all you have is snide insults |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I'm not either, and I'm a year older than you are. n/t |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. It may be unfair to paint everyone with a broad brush, which is |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You should not be reading Dean threads. They upset you. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Sometimes, yes, we should avoid the upsetting threads. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. They post this crap |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. You ARE? |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Yep, every week he does them. |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. Reminds me of couple staring at the portrait of Kramer |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
22. Note the two types of quotes: Trippi...his view...O'Conner..Dean's view. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. A lot of this stuff has been printed and gone over before |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Exactly. Why 5 pages, why now? A non-candidate..5 pages? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. You think it will stop here? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. There's a special planned for March on MSNBC I think. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You're kidding. Please say you're kidding... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
94. Oh God, I hope they don't call it Journeys with Howard. LOL |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Well, I am not pissing and moaning....just curious. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. It's also an attempt at backside covering, MF. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Exactly! Editing quotes to have certain words stick in the reader's mind. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
23. Just remember that Kurtz is a "Media Whore" and his wife Sherri Annis was |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I haven't read much of his, but I noticed that immediately. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
24. Here's one thing I never understood |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I have never had personable doctors. Not usually. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Personality is something one does attribute to politicians, however |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Bill Frist and Howard Dean are quite different, trust me. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Thank God he didn't listen to that suggestion. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. He did, sometimes. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-04 02:38 AM Response to Reply #28 |
96. "I'm a doctor, but I don't play one on TV" |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Dean, unlike some arrogant people, didn't feel like pimping his biography |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Maybe he just didn't want all of his "subjects" to know about |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Many many Dean supporters are quite moderate, like me. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. "Subjects" "dittoheads" "Deaniacs" |
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littlejoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I think they are too. Are you to ignore the fact that many, if not |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. I think when you call us "dittoheads" it is name calling. |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. Are you really that ignorant? |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
92. Dean-Witter investment firm??? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. "Any candidate that wants the job doesn't deserve it" |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Reluctant presidents like Truman and Eisenhower can be good ones. |
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pezcore64 (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
49. Hum |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. Agreed. But this time it's actually |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
62. Someone I know said Dean just wanted to raise healthcare issues |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Well, your sources certainly sound reliable to me! |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
90. Must all knowledge and conversation have to be linked to a web site? |
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jburton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
70. Office Politics |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Yep. Some of this sounds as if Kurtz was talking to the |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
87. I quit reading Kurtz when he went through his Gore-bashing era |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-29-04 09:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I understand the pain you feel right now. |
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