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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:24 PM
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What is Dean's response to the sourced quotes in Howie;s WP hit piece?
Just wondering. I know he said the quotes "attributed to him" are "completely false" but I just got through reading the full 5 page article and I thought lots of questions were raised by the people who actually said stuff to Howie on the record. It doesn't sound like Dean is refuting this in his statement.

It confirms something I always felt in the back of my mind which is the Trippi and Dean weren't that close.

Interesting.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:25 PM
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1. he said it was completely false, and it was a gossipy article
why are you even listening to a media whore like Kurtz?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:27 PM
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2. Because just 'cause he's a whore doesn't mean it's all a lie.
And because this story fits with what we saw with our own eyes.

Sure looks like Dean never realized what he had and, therefore, squandered it.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:28 PM
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3. oh, yes it does----kurtz had ethics problems in the past---why should we
believe him?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:34 PM
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4. I don't. The problem is with all the people he sources.
Believe me, I'd like to assume that everything he says is a big fat lie. I can't. It's not rational.

What does it really matter? Dean made his difference and lost. I hope he's happy. Now he can go back to being a nobody and a never-was. If he wasn't content with that, he should have raised his game. A satisfied loser is no hero of mine.

I didn't need Kurtz to tell me about that last part. My own eyes sufficed.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:05 PM
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11. Taking Kurtz's word for his sources is a mistake. You would have to parse
every line and do your own research to see how clever Kurtz can be. He's a "Master of Spin." His wife is a GOP Operative. He is a "Media Whore" extraordinaire, and he makes big bucks because he's even better than Novak.

There are seeds of truth in his article about Dean's campaign. Just as there are "seeds of truth" in most articles "whore press" write today.

BUT....the important thing is to realize that the plant that grows from the seed will not always end up the way the it was planned from the pix on the seed packet. Kurtz whore is like Gingrigh. He knows the Trash Dem code words and emphasizes them when extracts quotes. He also is prone to using quotes from other sources than his own phone calls and research. He takes "leaks from RW." He's not believable for anything more than gossip. But the Repugs built their Empire on Gossip and innuendo....so it's fair play????? :shrug:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:44 PM
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5. and I quote from the BLOG
"A Message from Howard Dean

The quotes attributed to me by others in Howard Kurtz's gossipy rendition of the divisions in the Dean for America campaign are entirely false, as is the description of my reaction after losing the Iowa caucuses, before the famous speech.

The danger of using unattributed sources as Kurtz and so many others do, is that the veracity of the informants can not be evaluated. In this case Kurtz included a significant amount of material which was not true, and produced a story which was greatly exaggerated.

There have been many inquiries about the relationship between Dean For America and the Change for America website. The answer to the question is that there is no relationship. We intend to form a progressive grassroots organization based on the Dean for America campaign, and we will work with other organizations after we get set up. We will announce the set up on March 18. "
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:05 PM
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8. And to be perfectly honest I don't see why I should believe him either.
Greatly exaggerated? I don't know if this is true, or to what extent. (The denial that is.) I probably don't really care anymore. Everyone's faith is now in the party establishment that produced the midterm disaster. We'll see.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:45 PM
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6. Read the Trippi GQ article, the idea that there was
respect between Trippi and Dean but that they didn't necessarily like each other is repeated there, in Trippi's own words.

http://us.gq.com/plus/content/?040127plco_trippi

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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:47 PM
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7. it's on his blog just check the facts also Dean says their is no
connection between trippy's CFA web group and his movement.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:36 PM
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9. There is a thread about this here:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:59 PM
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10. Ask yourself this question....why are former staffers talking to the press
Why are they finding it necessary to be so outgoing and negative right now? They are aware, quite aware, that Dean is starting up a new movement which is outlined at the DFA website.

So, why are Matthew Gross, John Pettit, and Trippi all so eager to talk to the press, and to post to the blogs.....sounding supportive one minute and then the next being critical.

I don't know the answers, but it sure does sound like some cover your butt stuff is going on. I have not felt that way before, Trippi is not overt usually.

I feel that way after the article. Every campaign has their bad moments, and I am quite sure from things I have already heard that this one....not fitting an established pattern....had theirs for sure.

So I just feel like in that article there were no Dean quotes, just "he said" remarks. Everyone got their chance to stick the knife in.

As I have said before, Dean is not dead enough yet to suit someone. Why is it necessary to be so cozy with the press? Just wondering.
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