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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:42 PM
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The Skull & Bones
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 09:55 PM by mvd
Why do so many people here hate this society, of which Kerry is a member? Other than Bush being a member. I don't know much about it other than it being a secret, elite society. Is there a good explanation?
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:44 PM
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1. Maybe this is why
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:57 PM
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7. from the front page of your "source"
But nothing will be left for chance - nothing. And so clandestine teams of military intelligence black-ops have already deployed in key cities terrorist devices of either a radiological dirty bomb or a bio-terror device designed to kill hundreds to tens of thousands of Americans in a strategic pre-election terrorist attack designed to cause waves of fear and confusion throughout the American population.<snip>
http://www.voxfux.com/
In place and ready to go will be carefully scripted fraudulent "news" stories about how Americans would not feel comfortable with any democrats because after all only the current administration knows best how to deal with the terrorists, (especially with over a 60 year history dealing with terrorists and a thirty year history dealing specifically with the bin laden family.)

In place will be carefully scripted fraudulent polls declaring that 95% of all Americans agree that the present leadership must remain.

Several polls will magically surface out of thin air which claim that nearly 75% of all Americans agree that an election isn't even really necessary considering the threat to the "Homeland."...........................end quotes

-------I guess because Kerry is skull and bones he is in on it too.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:12 PM
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12. Do you honestly think that it is an accident that they want to
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 10:41 PM by lcordero
disarm the population?
Do you honestly think that it's an accident that schools are being attacked?
Do you honestly think that it's an accident that the powers that be are working so hard to take away the internet by slowly pricing it out of reach by way of unemployment?
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tobius Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:05 PM
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16. I've always thought the phrase "the powers that be" was a big
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 11:08 PM by tobius
hint to start backing up veeerrry slowly and excuse myself to go refill my club soda.


I'll be right back.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:49 PM
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26. wow, unemployment
is a dastardly conspiracy to deny people the ability to download porn.

those puritan bastards!
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:48 PM
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28. It's a way to deny education, information, and upward mobility
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:46 PM
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2. I'm not implying you're doing this, BUT...
..why do so many people keep stirring this pot (and others) in the form of an "innocent question?"



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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:50 PM
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3. Why would you ask on this topic then?
I like Kerry and you can tell by my posts.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:52 PM
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4. people will jump on it and repeat the same conspiratorial rubbish...
...really, it's been suggested before - we need a conspiracy forum where the skull and bones can be an ongoing 1000+ post thread...
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:54 PM
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5. Well, I'm looking for a good explanation
You're right that there's been a lot of conspiratorial stuff - but it didn't tell me that much.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:56 PM
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6. you won't find a "good explanation" - that is the point.
You'll get the same conspiratorial stuff vs. the same "it's just a fraternity."
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:59 PM
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8. Well, if there's no good explanation, then..
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 09:59 PM by mvd
my question is answered. We'll see if we get any good responses. I'm not looking for the conspiratorial stuff. I'm looking for actual things about the society.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:02 PM
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9. the conspiratorial rantings will be packaged as ...
..."actual things about the society."

But good luck in you endeavor. You're gonna need it!
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:06 PM
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Right, It's impossible to know

Any analysis saying that Skull & Bones is a harmless frat vs an organization bent on world domination is either heresay or speculation.

I think thats the thing thats truly scary about it. If you ask these guys, they'll simply say "it's a secret".

I personally don't approve of my elected officials owing higher oaths to these types of "power clubs" than to my governance. So until these guys just come clean, there will ALWAYS be speculation about the nature of these inherently un-democratic organizations.

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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:08 PM
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11. Well, if it's all just speculation, I won't get upset about it
Seems like it has a diverse list of members. :-)
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:06 PM
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10. Right, It's impossible to know

Any analysis saying that Skull & Bones is a harmless frat vs an organization bent on world domination is either heresay or speculation.

I think thats the thing thats truly scary about it. If you ask these guys, they'll simply say "it's a secret".

I personally don't approve of my elected officials owing higher oaths to these types of "power clubs" than to my governance. So until these guys just come clean, there will ALWAYS be speculation about the nature of these inherently un-democratic organizations.

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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:08 PM
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17. Well if that isn't turning the Bill of Rights on it's head.
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 11:10 PM by Kerryfan
Any analysis saying S&B is a harmless frat is heresay or speculation.

Any analysis saying I am not a serial killer is also heresay and speculation.

It's impossible to know.
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:29 PM
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13. Frats
I dont really understand this stuff...

As I understand it, the best of the best in a particular fraternity at Yale get requested to join another fraternity called S&B.

Its a fraternity, with traditions, practices, and rituals.

Fraternities are 100% American. I'm in one and I think its great. I dont think that being a member of one makes me a party to world domination.

It isnt a John Kerry/George Bush connection neither. All but 3 U.S. Presidents have been members of Fraternities.


M
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:31 PM
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14. I thought frats were 100% Greek...
But what do I know. In college I was a GDI.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:40 PM
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15. Here's a partial list of the original accusers and some backgrounds
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 10:41 PM by bigtree
Here's a partial list of the original accusers and some backgrounds


This authors of this smear huddle at: http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com /


Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/newstart/bohemian-grove /

“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

___________________________________________________________________

CHARLOTTE ISERBYT served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she
blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculums in America’s classrooms.

Iserbyt is a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst of Guardians of Education (Organization taking a no-nonsense, Judeo Christian approach to the education of Maine's young people.)

Iserbyt is a speaker and writer, best known for her 1985 booklet Back to Basics Reform or OBE: Skinnerian International Curriculum and her 1989 pamphlet Soviets in the Classroom: America’s Latest Education Fad which covered the details of the U.S.-Soviet and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements

She is a freelance writer and has had articles published in Human Events, and The Washington Times.

_____________________________________________________________________

ANTON CHAITKIN is a founding member of the political movement associated with Lyndon LaRouche.

The OMEGA File
POPULATION CONTROL, NAZIS, AND THE U.N.! -- by Anton Chaitkin
ROCKFELLER AND MASS MURDER

"The ROCKEFELLER Foundation is the PRIME SPONSOR of public relations for the UNITED NATION'S drastic depopulation program, which the world is invited to accept at the UN's scheduled September conference in Cairo, Egypt. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its CORPORATE, MEDICAL, and POLITICAL associates organized the racial MASS MURDER program of NAZI GERMANY.

____________________________________________________________________


Toby Rogers wrote about how the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaust.

_____________________________________________________________________

Webster Tarpley learned at the knee of ; has been a disciple and employee of Lyndon LaRouche for at least twenty five years.

_____________________________________________________________________


Nice Bunch (of nuts).



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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:19 PM
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18. Don't you like the motto of Vox news.
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 11:20 PM by Kerryfan
" News before it happens " I guess that means they make it up. Sounds about right.


http://www.voxfux.com/features/scull_bones_opium.html
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:04 PM
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19. In the greek tradition
But not Greek. Their masonic, actually. You dont find a fraternity tradition like the US' in Europe.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:53 PM
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27. just reading the address of the
voxfux site makes it apparent that i don't even need to bother reading that. thanks! skull and bones and opium . . . i can only imagine where their imagination leads them.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 12:11 PM
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20. It seems to be exploited by people who look for Rove-like reasons
to dismiss Kerry as a candidate to begin with. All I have seen promoted about Skull and Bones looks like paranoid delusional bullshit to me.

It's just a fraternity. Bush happened to be a member. He would have been an evil bastard no matter what fraternity he belonged to, or whether he ever went to college or not.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:47 PM
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25. And personal attacks don't exactly increase credibility on the issue.
:eyes:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:26 PM
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22. Blah
It is elite because of the pool upon which it must draw its members. As for secret, that depends on your definition of what a secret is. Now there are some real secret societies, but they don't tell you who the members are.

At Yale if you have more then 7 seniors in a room on a Thursday night it becomes a secret society. As far as drinking clubs go today S&B is one of the least robust old school clubs, if S&B was really some kind of world dominating organization you would think the alumni would pay for booze like the alumni of most other organizations.

The S&B conspiracy theories are utterly ridiculous.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:28 PM
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23. It's a secret society for the elites
and IMO, secret societies should be open to all!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:43 PM
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24. Because...
it's part of the secret Masonic Illuminati New World Order Conspiracy™, of course!

Didn't you know that our lives and destinies are controlled by a vast international conspiracy consisting of wealthy elites all of whom belong to the same evil occult societies?

Or, at least, this is what those who believe the conspiracy theories surrounding Skull & Bones think. I, for one, am firmly convinced that it is a tremendous amount of rubbisbh; that the number of Skull & Bones members who have risen to positions of power may be accounted for by the fact that its members are drawn from the students of one of the world's elite universities, which has for centuries educated the children of America's wealthy and powerful, and it is people of that sort wo tend to rise to positions of power and influence, because of their connections.

I am also firmly convinced that those who think otherwise are extremely naive, extremely gullible, extremely stupid, extremely paranoid and in need of intensive psychotherapy, or some combination or all of the above.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:43 AM
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29. Oh. Ma. God. They are, like, sooooooooooooo uncool.
They are not even cute like the Delta Eps. Like, I was at the Tri-Delt house, ya know, and like, I heard that they, like, drink waayyyy to much and, like, everything. And then they do, like, these wierd things. Oh. Ma. God. I am so not voting for those geeks.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:53 AM
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30. They are a sinister, devilish cabal...
I read a website that sez so:
http://www.freeworldalliance.com/rallyreport.htm

BEWARE!!! You think you "know"- but you know NOTHING!!!

Kerry & his fiendish ghouls at S& B will RISE FROM THEIR GRAVES and destry you ALL!!!!

They are CALLED SKULL & BONES you fools!!! SKULL-AND-BONES!!!

He had a ribbon tied to his GENITALS! His GENITALS!!!! In a coffin!!!

We are through the LOOKING GLASS here, people...


HELL-OOOOO- Anyone listening? I cant SAVE you if you dont LISTEN to ME!!!!!
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