GRRRRR!!! IT'S ALREADY FREAKING STARTED!!! GRRRR! Diebold!!!

[tryanhas]

March 2, 2004
Technical Problems Reported in E-Voting

Electronic voting made its debut in cities and towns from Maryland to California on Tuesday as election officials beefed up security for the record number of voters expected to cast E-ballots for the first time.

by Rachel Konrad


Scattered technical problems were reported in the early hours as voters in 10 states, including California, New York and Ohio, went to the Super Tuesday polls to choose a Democratic presidential nominee and decide primary contests for congressional and state races.

Advocates of electronic voting say paperless ballots save money and eliminate problems common to old systems. But the technology brings a new breed of security concerns, like software errors and hackers that could make the results unreliable.

In California, new security measures range from random tests of touch-screen machines by independent computer experts to a recommendation that poll workers prevent voters from carrying cell phones or other wireless devices into booths.

Overall, some 10 million people in at least two dozen states were expected to cast ballots in primaries this year on machines built by Diebold, Sequoia Voting Systems, Electronic Systems & Software and other vendors.

And the electronic voting trend is accelerating: In November's presidential election, at least 50 million people will vote on touch-screens, compared with 55 million using paper, punch cards or lever machines, according to Washington-based Election Data Services.

One Maryland polling place had to switch to paper ballots Tuesday because its new electronic voting machines didn't work. State elections supervisor Linda Lamone said technicians expected to have the problem fixed quickly.

Voters also had to start out using paper ballots in Georgia's Effingham County. Chris Riggall, a spokesman for Secretary of State Cathy Cox, said county officials apparently forgot to program the encoders - devices used to tell ballot access cards, which voters insert into the machines, what ballot to display.

A security issue also arose in Georgia.

Georgia Tech student Peter Sahlstrom said he found 10 Diebold terminals sitting unprotected in the lobby of the school's student center Monday. Sahlstrom, 22, photographed the machines in their unlocked cases.

"Frankly, this makes me nervous and ... it validates a lot of the concerns I already had," Sahlstrom said in a phone interview...

http://www.bizreport.com/article.php?art_id=6341

Diebold, keep contributing to Bush and Kerry.
Kerry, keep smiling, you have nothing to fear today.
They are going to make sure that you don't have any problems...

...grrrrrr.

Screw this freaking country!

[Hav]

1. .

Skulls and Bones conspiracy..:eyes:

[w4rma]

7. Black box voting is insane. It is an open dare to steal elections

Note, to my knowledge Diebold is NOT contributing to Kerry.

[Monte Carlo]

2. At this rate, you're going to put yourself in a useless tizzy.

So calm down a little bit. And no, don't screw the country.

[burythehatchet]

3. Look on the bright side

There are young people out there who are starting to take these matters a little more seriously

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. "paperless ballots" - like "oral contracts"

are worth the paper they are printed on...

[jansu]

15. Best truth I have seen on this subject!

Someone yesterday posted, that we should all vote by absentee ballots...because there is a paper trail.

I agree and one more reason, it would screw up the media from being able to report results early! I am all for screwing up this "report nothing of importance" media!

[tryanhas]

5. So, I take it that you all don't care...

...about DIEBOLD being a Kerry contributor.

...about these pisspoor electronic machines always failing.

...about these machines already screwing up!

Of course, you all think everything is about "DEMOCRAT" and "REPUBLICAN," instead of realizing that John Kerry is just as much of a sell-out to special interests like DIEBOLD, as Bush is.

Edwards is the most "UNCONNECTED" candidate in the race, and you all are showing your true colors with this issue.

It's pathetic...

...my prediction that I will be banned today is probably just around the corner if I keep getting "so what" replies from people who supposedly want every vote to count, but are being nothing more than HYPOCRITES with this issue.

[FreeSpeechCrusader]

8. What is pathetic about people researching

the candidates and picking the candidate of their choice. You seem to have a problem with accepting and ackowledging other people's points of view. People that participate on this site are usually quite well informed, but some also do not choose to partake in conspiracy theories. (I myself am quite worried about Diebold not so much now as in the GE) Kerry is a good man. He has fought hard for our nation and our freedoms, and he will continue to do so with your support or not. But to consistently insult all those that do not fall in line with your view is ridiculous. You will never convert anyone over to your side by being condescending or rude...people have differing opinions that is what fuels a democracy. You must be able to take in all people's considerations instead of just your own, and then you may be able to convert others to your cause instead of just turning them away.

[tryanhas]

18. To respond to that bs, I'll post what I said in another thread...

...about "RESEARCH."

People in this country are just lazy, and the bandwagon effect has propelled Kerry.

Thank you more not being lazy and examining the situation, and making a wise vote...

My problems is not that people, RESEARCH, but that they don't.

So, about research...

...duh!

[FreeSpeechCrusader]

33. Yes the bandwagon effect has helped Kerry

as it would with anyone who won the first few contests as it should in the front loaded primary season. Terry Mac thought it would help...but what do ya know...it didn't. Now the repubs will have more time to pick apart the winner, and we didn't have time to get to know the candidates. Only politically astute people will spend time researching the candidates others will watch the news or read their paper to see who is favored because Americans like lining up behind the winner. duh!! I would like to see the page listing Diebold as a Kerry contibutor though. I have been looking for it. As for your disdain for all those that do not share your point of view...good luck

[redqueen]

9. Diebold is a Kerry contributor, you say?

Is that a fact?

Well now his promise to look into the BBV issue AFTER he's the noiminee makes all the sense in the world.

:puke:

[OKNancy]

17. I'd like a source for those statements

Because I don't think it is a fact.

[redqueen]

20. You missed the statements where he said he'd look into it

AFTER he's the nominee? Really?

[OKNancy]

I'm sorry

I mean I don't believe that Diebold is a contributor to Kerry's campaign.

I do believe that Kerry probably said he'd look into it later. He is probably with 99% of the rest of the country on this issue, in that he thinks it is a tempest in a teapot.

[redqueen]

26. Oh that, yeah, just read in another thread...

It seems that's just a baseless accusation.

[salin]

34. you missed the bizarre stretched logic thread yesterday?

title something along the lines of "kerry ties to diebold" (i think with a financial inneundo.) No real language in the post - just a link to a NYT article.

Flame of course began as the thread title was so off - Kerry wasn't mentioned in the thread.

Eventually in response to the flames... the logic is revealed... I guess that diebold has some loose connections to... Skull and Bones... ergo.. to Kerry. Clever bit of logic there... eh?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

10. BFD. Republicans are connected with Diebold, not Democrats.

Much ado about nothing.

[redqueen]

12. Are you saying that this is a lie?

That Diebold is not giving cash to Kerry's campaign?

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

23. Yes It is a lie

Until someone provides proof otherwise.

No 2004 data, but:

Cycle Organization Total to Dems to Repubs
2002 election cycle Diebold Inc $100,965 - $100,965
2000 election cycle Diebold Inc $100,000 - $100,000
1998 election cycle -

http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softcomp1.asp?txtName=diebold

Pretty strong Republican connection.

[redqueen]

30. Thanks, just saw this in another thread also.

Thanks for answering.

And I'm so glad this is not true! :D

[jansu]

19. and your point is?

Do you think that the Republicans would not have a hand in messing up the Democratic Primaries? Yeah, I see your point......they always play by the rules!

[BL_Zebub]

29. And Kerry's been voting like a Republican for the last three years

...so maybe LIEbold likes that?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. DIEBOLD is a Kerry contributor?

Really? Huh. What do you know.

[BL_Zebub]

13. Did Diebold really contribute to Senator Waffles?

Diebold, FAUX News, Skull & Bones, PNAC/PPI....

What more do you numbskulls need?? This fucker is as filthy as Bush

[salin]

39. make the accusations that you will - but this one is fabricated

and done so poorly. I wouldn't add it to any "rhetorical ammunition against said candidate" list. Please see my post below.

[OKNancy]

16. Diebold is a Kerry contributor?

Businesses as a whole can't contribute to candidates. Employees of the business can. So, how much did Diebold contribute? I'd like some mainstream source. Open Secrets will do.

[prodigal_green]

6. grrrrchunk

I just voted in Queens, NY, 7th Congressional District. I was very happy to see the old lever ballots were still there. There is something very satisfying about pulling that big lever to the right, hearing the barrels grind, flipping the little levers for your candidate, then pushing the big lever to the left--gets your whole body into the act of voting.

Picking a candidate at an ATM (AVM?) would just seem like another financial transacti...oh, now I get it.

[madrchsod]

14. i suggest that people here

keep up on the electronic voting that is happening in the world`s largest democracy-india. it will be interesting to see if they have the same sorts of problems.

[jansu]

21. Vote by Absentee Ballot, & have a paper trail + screw the media in

being able to call the elections early! No hanging chads, no lost electronic votes.....they are pretty straight forward and anyone can use them. This way the power is back with the people again. I would suggest that we try to get all Democratic voters and as many Independent voters to do this in the General Election. May be the only way to keep it honest!

[The Spirit of JFK]

22. Diebold gives to Kerry?

I didn't see it on Kerry's donor list, although it was last updated on the 27th of Feb.

It would seem that Diebold, with it's CEO (Walden O'Dell) being a huge and vocal Bush supporter, would be best off giving money to Nader...to take away from Kerry. 100% of O'Dell's peronal contributions went to Republicans.

Although CNN actually ran a story last night reinforcing O'Dell's connection to Bush and seriously questiioned both the accuarcy and security of the Diebold machines. Even after upgrading security, hackers were not only able to hack into each machine, but the main system as well...and would have been able to change totals on a state level. Now THAT is scary.

So you have to figure with even the mainstream media now reporting this, perhaps Diebold has to seem a litte more partisan by giving money to Kerry, even though (or perhaps especially since) Kerry supports challenge polling places where ballot machines lack accountability trails.

Just a thought.

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. Not a contributor

as far as I can tell anyway. I looked at the individuals back to the 2000 election just to be sure.

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=Diebold&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&Order=D

One thing I don't get is why O'Dell's contribution to Bush is in parenthesis/negative...as in received money vs. contributed money. :shrug:

[eyesroll]

32. A "negative contribution" is generally a refund

If O'Dell gave too much money to Bush during an election cycle, for instance, or if O'Dell requested a refund (which usually only happens if the contributor gets mad at the candidate, or the candidate drops out right after the big donation).

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. You're right..refund

He gave $4000 before (and the limit's $2000)

[salin]

38. because it isn't there this is manufactured

see my post below as it relates to this thread and a previous one.. and why - even as people look for the evidence... there is none... the charge was made up on very specious reasoning and stated elsewhere... and now used as a reference as if that single 'public statement' is enough for folks to accept it as fact.

[Moderator]

24. tryanhas

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[WilliamPitt]

27. ahem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x419180

I think the proper phrasing is "Screw your freaking baseless allegations."

[redqueen]

28. Thanks for starting that other thread, Will.

:thumbsup:

[WilliamPitt]

31. My pleasure

:)

[salin]

36. Cute work... lesson in creating propoganda

Part one:

Create a nonexistent story by inneundo - but that enough people read cursorily so that the "charge" sticks in the head:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=416610

Then return to that point... take a REAL issue that is of importance to the target audience... pander to that concern as shrill as possible so people focus on that part of the message...

then slip in - with absolutely NO documetation... the manufactured charge.

In case no one is following - this thread is part two.

Wonder what is up for an encore.

[WilliamPitt]

37. *applause*

:)

[lurk_no_more]

40. Voting Machine Manufacturer/Owner Committed To Give Votes To Bush

http://www.rense.com/general40/fr.htm

Columbus - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is:

"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

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Nothing to see here folks, just elections as designed, please move along!



And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Hav]

41. he got tombstoned

No surprise there.