Can I see some proof that Diebold contributes to Kerry?

[WilliamPitt]

Insert proof below. Thanks.

[Dookus]

1. They do it secretly

through Skull and Bones. sheesh!

[JI7]

2. kerry spoke out against diebold, by name

[salin]

3. hehe... that was one of the more

"entertaining" allegations yesterday... entertaining in what it suggested about those entertaining the presumption on such "and fellow travelors" sort of logic.

edit for clarity... the "fellow travelors" refers not to those posting but the type of alleged links that McCarthy et al used to use to demonstrate connections between individuals/groups and movements in the most abstract and untenable ways.

[WilliamPitt]

8. ...and today...

[salin]

12. did it reappear today?

yesterday.. title "Kerry ... ties (likes? something) Diebold".. with no text - just a link to a NYT article with no mention of Kerry... then in response to the... expecte flames to the thread... the 'rationale' got explained. That was the entertaining part.

[WilliamPitt]

14. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=418931&mesg_id=418931

[salin]

19. lol... almost the same exact

stretch a mile but noone will follow you logic. Take a real issue... then through bizzarre inneundo tie it to your current obsessions. Voila, self-percieved effective argument.

[salin]

21. hey... look at what I found

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=416610

Notice any similarities?

[Hav]

28. "hey... look at what I found"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=137972

Glad that the Mods finally got rid of them...

[WilliamPitt]

29. LOL! He predicted yesterday that he would get banned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=416699#416724

:)

[Hav]

30. well

He sadly couldn't make it long to enough to post " I told you so !!!!1 " after Tuesday ends with an Edwards sweep though.

[XanaDUer]

4. Hopefully it will not come from the Art Bell site...

Eom.

[displacedtexan]

5. Kerry speaks in code. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh...

:tinfoilhat:

[eyesroll]

6. I did a donor search on Opensecrets.com

I couldn't find if Diebold had a PAC. Anyone know?

I did look for individual connections -- I searched "Diebold" in the employer field for 2004. Check this out:
BUCCI, DAVID
HUDSON,OH 44236
DIEBOLD
6/29/2003
$1,000
Voinovich, George V

BUCCI, DAVID MR
HUDSON,OH 44236
DIEBOLD INC./SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT
6/26/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

CROWTHER, JOHN MICHAEL MR
CANTON,OH 44708
DIEBOLD INC.
8/27/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

D' AMICO, THOMAS R MR
CANTON,OH 44718
DIEBOLD INC.
9/3/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

D'AMICO, THOMAS R
CANTON,OH 44718
DIEBOLD INC
6/21/2003
$500
Voinovich, George V

DETTINGER, WARREN W
CANTON,OH 44708
DIEBOLD INC
6/25/2003
$500
Voinovich, George V

DIMMITT, WILLIAM R MR
SAN ANGELO,TX 76901
DIEBOLD INC./SERVICE TECHNICIAN
4/2/2003
$200
National Republican Congressional Cmte

FRAZZITTA, BART MR
AKRON,OH 44333
DIEBOLD INC.
9/29/2003
$1,000
Bush, George W

FRAZZITTA, BART MR
AKRON,OH 44333
DIEBOLD INC./VICE PRESIDENT
6/26/2003
$1,000
Bush, George W

GESWEIN, GREGORY T MR
BENTLEYVILLE,OH 44022
DIEBOLD INC./CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICE
6/26/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

HILLOCK, JENNIFER L MRS
MASSILLON,OH 44646
DIEBOLD INC.
8/27/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

HILLOCK, MICHAEL JAMES MR
MASSILLON,OH 44646
DIEBOLD INTERNATIONAL INC./PRESIDEN
6/26/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

INGRAM, LARRY DEAN MR
MASSILLON,OH 44646
DIEBOLD INC.
9/15/2003
$1,000
Bush, George W

INGRAM, LARRY DEAN MR
MASSILLON,OH 44646
DIEBOLD INC./VICE PRESIDENT OF GLOB
6/26/2003
$1,000
Bush, George W

MAHONEY, ROBERT
CANTON,OH 44718
DIEBOLD/CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
11/30/2003
$250
Care PAC

O' DELL, WALDEN W MR
CANTON,OH 44708
DIEBOLD INC.
8/8/2003
($2,000)
Bush, George W

O' DELL, WALDEN W MR
CANTON,OH 44708
DIEBOLD INC./CHAIRMAN
6/12/2003
$4,000
Bush, George W

O'DELL, WALDEN W
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD INC
6/25/2003
$500
Voinovich, George V

O'DELL, WALDEN W
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD INC
6/25/2003
$1,500
Voinovich, George V

SCHEURER, CHARLES B MR
CANTON,OH 44708
DIEBOLD INC.
8/27/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

SWIDARSKI, THOMAS W MR
HUDSON,OH 44236
DIEBOLD INC.
7/9/2003
$2,000
Bush, George W

VAN CLEVE, JEFFREY J MR
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD CREDIT CORPORATION
9/3/2003
$1,000
Bush, George W

VAN CLEVE, JEFFREY J MR
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD CREDIT CORPORATION/VICE PRE
6/26/2003
$500
Bush, George W

VAN CLEVE, JEFFREY J MR
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD CREDIT CORPORATION/VP & GEN
4/11/2003
$250
Equipment Leasing Assn of America

VAN CLEVE, JEFFREY J MR
NORTH CANTON,OH 44720
DIEBOLD CREDIT CORPORATION/VP & GEN
10/10/2003
$225
Equipment Leasing Assn of America

WARF, ALBEN W
MASSILLON,OH 44646
DIEBOLD
6/29/2003
$1,000
Voinovich, George V

Not a Kerry (or any other Democrat) among them!

[WilliamPitt]

7. Maybe Voinovich, Bush, Care PAC and the rest

deliver the money secretly to Kerry during S&B meetings at the local Moose lodge...

[RogueTrooper]

9. That will be it, Will

;-)

Don't forget the Freemasons. They must be in the mix somewhere.

[Maddy McCall]

10. You do know that Kerry is the Grand Poobah...

Not everyone is qualified.

;-)

[WilliamPitt]

13. He gets to wear the big hat with the crazy horns

[VelmaD]

15. Is it Elk and Moose that are the same thing?

Or Elk and Caribou? Or Moose and Caribou? I get it confused. ;-)

[RogueTrooper]

20. Damn him!

he gets all the cool stuff.

x(

[woofless]

23. Now, Now, The elks are the LARGEST donors to charity of all

Fraternal organizations and we REALLY know how to party. Elks started Flag Day and are among the strongest supporters of disabled vets. Elks Rock.

[Maddy McCall]

24. And he has the privilege of leading the Royal Order "inside establishment"

in the very secret rite of the of the sacred Water Buffalo mating jig. (This of course happens after the coffin circle jerk. I read an expose on it once--it all has very substantial meaning for our country, but only the really smart ones of us realize that.)

[KC21304]

17. You mean when the head of Diebold said he was going to see to it

that Bush would be re-selected that was just a head fake, part of the conspiracy ? Those clever devils.

[Protagoras]

45. I can't drink anything while reading this thread

because I don't have a paper towel to clean off my screen! ROFL, stop already, you're killing me heh!

[VelmaD]

11. Like I said yesterday...

why would people let silly little facts get in the way of a good slander. :eyes:

[TheDonkey]

16. Kerry is a bush-lite, DINO, big tobacco whore, neocon, who works for Rove.

I thought you go the memo.

He's probably on the board of directors of Diebold.

....
...
Or at least some here would like to think that.
:crazy::crazy::crazy:

[w4rma]

18. There is no proof, because Diebold doesn't contribute to Kerry.

That said, black box voting is insane. It is an open dare to steal elections.

[zulchzulu]

22. I can make up a story and put it on a web page if you want

Hey, if it's on the web, it has to be true.

Let's see. Um, OK. Here's the story:

Neck Implants linked to Diebold and Kerry Campaign make evil Debut in Iowa

AMES, IA - Dr. Raj Lucifericus says there is an unprecedented initiative to fund and support secret Diebold neck implants and nanotechnology in the United States, thanks to Skull and Bones, Inc. and the John Kerry campaign.

He's president of CaucusScan Technologies Inc. of Ames, and his company and its employees are considered the experts in producing probes for use in nanotechnology, which is the study of things 100,000 times smaller than the human hair.

Recently, CaucusScan was awarded a $200,000 economic development grant from the Iowa Voter Fraud Fund, linked to the Kerry campaign, to almost double the number of employees and support a $2 million capital investment project.

About everyone that works at CaucusScan is an Iowa State University graduate. Lucifericus employs everyone from biologists to engineers.

What does CaucusScan do?
Lucifericus: CaucusScan is a company that started in 1999 and we develop applications in the field of nanotechnology as it applies to secret Diebold neck implants. All of our technology revolves around an atomic force microscope, which is an instrument that is not a microscope in the traditional sense. When a voter walk in a room, a neck implant is injected with properly pre-programmed voting data.


http://www.caucusscan.com/kerry/corrupt/skullandbones/cheater.asp

[Deb]

25. Lets be clear about this

[TreasonousBastard]

26. Of course they do...

and it's true because I said so.

[oasis]

27. Kerry could denounce Diebold as he clung to the top ledge of their HQ

but that wouldn't be enough to convince some people here.

[WilliamPitt]

31. Kick

[Nazgul35]

38. Now that is interesting...

Here I am scrolling through post after post of people making fun of the diabold - kerry claim, yet the only place I heard it was on this thread!

So I am asking myself, why would people continue to make reference to something so completely unsupported by any evidence.....than I figure everyone is just having a good laugh...

But wait....Will kick's the thread....WTF?!

Slow news day Will?

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

40. See posts 14, 19, 21

Your scrolling skills are weak, grasshopper.

[WilliamPitt]

41. Kick for grasshopper

[curse10]

32. skulls and bones! skulls and bones!

isn't that proof enough? :evilgrin:

[salin]

33. Anyone wondering about this rumor... Please Read this post

Recut from another thread (my own words - so I have the author's permission ;-) )

lesson in creating propaganda

Part one:

Create a nonexistent story by innuendo - but that enough people read cursorily so that the "charge" sticks in the head:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

Then return to that point... take a REAL issue that is of importance to the target audience... pander to that concern as shrill as possible so people focus on that part of the message...

then slip in - with absolutely NO documetation... the manufactured charge.

In case no one is following - this thread is part two.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=418931


Wonder what is up for an encore.


---------------------------------------

Point being... this person has created a situation where bbv, and diebold are tied to Kerry - based on NO information (and refuted by Open Secrets)...

But, the problem when one reads the connection several times is that it can get stuck in the head.. a little shadow of a memory of a thought that creates the... oh, ya... I heard that before...

The problem, is that if we aren't aware of it, this is how conversations that are completely fallacious get stated, repeated, and sadly, accepted by others as reality. This, folks, is how subtle propaganda can be manufactured.

So if/when you hear this charge repeated, please respond with reference (verbal or otherwise) to this whole little episode - serves both to debunk the attempted message, and to remind us of how easy (and insidious) propaganda propagation can be.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

34. People get away with it here as the resident Skull and Bones propagandist

knows all to well...let's see...what were HIS inventions...Weasley Clark and of course the thread today and the threads claiming Kerry was a Nazi and the ones claiming he is part of the BFEE....

[sangh0]

35. They get away with it becarse the admin has no policy on liars

I can lie to you all I want but I can't call you a poopie head because *that* would not be civil

[MurikanDemocrat]

37. Ssssstop it! You are shocking me! Kerry is a Nazi and a BFEE too??

ROTFL! You all are killing me! Quit it! I'm going to go to hell for voting for Kerry!

[NNN0LHI]

42. Yep. Looks like the political version of a confidence game to me salin

I noticed something didn't smell right a couple of days ago. But I didn't say anything. Nice catch.

Don

[salin]

43. its funny

I almost passed over the second one.. and had read the first article as just more 'over-reaching' (nonexistent)logic. Wasn't til this thread - and Will's pointing me to the second one- that I read the two together and figured out the 'game'.

[citizen snips]

36. Who the hell is Diebold?

n/t

[WilliamPitt]

39. Kick

[cindyw]

44. Don't confuse people by asking for proof.

:crazy:

[Maddy McCall]

46. kick