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[Deansspecialinterest]

1. It's a beautiful dream

but I really doubt it. I hope he snags some delegates today, that's about the best I can hope for.

[Maddy McCall]

2. I think the probability of him losing his own state motivated him...

at least partially motivated him to pull out of the race, rather than suffering an embarrassing defeat in Vermont.

He BARELY won his last gubernatorial race in Vermont; indeed, the percentage of Vermonters who voted for him declined in virtually every subsequent election.

If he does carry Vermont, (which he won't), especially since he isn't running he can celebrate it as a victory without having risked anything.

If he doesn't carry Vermont, he can justify the loss by saying, "Well, I wasn't running anyway." Thus, no risk of embarrassment.

[Zynx]

4. He won by 12 points in 2000 on a cultural issues election.

Barely won my ass.

[Maddy McCall]

7. 50.45% is barely a majority...less than 1% gave him the majority

That means that 49.55% of Vermonters DID NOT support him.

Here are the percentages of the vote in subsequent elections:

75%
68.69%
70.5%
55.66%
50.45%

Justify these declining numbers however you want, but he barely carried a majority in his most recent election--and his numbers declined, with one exception, since his first impressive win.

[Zynx]

12. In 2000, an independent left wing party took about 11% of the vote.

Also, 56% in '98 is pretty damn good. The other wins are simply massive.

[Maddy McCall]

21. So? More Vermonters voted against him than for him.

[Zynx]

24. No. He won a majority.

What kind of math is that?

[Maddy McCall]

29. Ooops! Still, less than half of one percent isn't really a "win" to crow

about, at least not for an incumbent.

Again, he was in a downward spiral, he knew it, and he would not have won again. The numbers in my post above show that.

[Zynx]

30. Spew your Dean hate all you want. He still stomped the Republican.

That election was only that close because of the Civil Unions bill and you know it.

[Maddy McCall]

31. Please tell me how I am "spewing hate." Reporting election statistics

is "hate" to you?

Sorry that your guy is out--even he saw the writing on the wall--others should read it too. :shrug:

[Duder]

32. If you're really interested in the Vermont elections

Go read some of the Vermont newspaper archives and you'll become a little better informed.

[Zynx]

38. Dean won by 12 points.

And I say that he's out too, but you don't have to be such an ass. I am trying to defend his legacy.

Here are the election results from 2000:

Dean(D): 147,105 51%
Dwyer(R): 110,941 39%
Pollina(I): 27,756 10%

He whomped Dwyer.

In '98 he won 56 to 42. Hardly close by any measure.

[KaraokeKarlton]

Wrong. If Dean had of run for governor again he would have won

You're clueless about Vermont politics...and it really does show.

[Nazgul35]

33. same with Bill Clinton...twice

what's your point?

:shrug:

How many of the early primaries did the other candidates win with over 50% of the vote?

We live in a first past the post electoral system....

[dsc]

13. He had a third party contender

who spent 300k to his just over 1 million. The puke spent 900k and he still won by 10 points after giving a despised minority relationship rights, and redistributing school tax dollars. That is a miracle by any reasonable measure.

[Maddy McCall]

22. Less than one percent over competitors isn't a big win for an incumbent

Only less than half of one percent favored him over his competition. That's bad for an incumbent, no matter how you attempt to spin it.

[Zynx]

25. Bad math. Dean won 51%.

His major opponent got 38 or 39 percent and the third party got around 10.

[Maddy McCall]

28. Correction: You are right that he won by majority, but is less than 1%

majority something an incumbent should brag about?

[Nazgul35]

35. semantics....

how much did the second place finisher get...

Subtract Dean's % from #2's %...that's how much he won by.....

[KaraokeKarlton]

37. Oh please...there were like 12 people running in 2000

I love it when people who have no idea what they're talking about act like they are an authority on something. :eyes:

[KaraokeKarlton]

36. LMAO...you don't know anything about how Vermonters think

Personally, I think Dean will win Vermont. If he doesn't, it will probably be Kucinich. I seriously doubt Vermonters will choose Kerry since he voted for the war. We've lost two young Vermont men in Iraq that I know of, maybe more. This is a place of very tight knit and close communities. I suspect that Kerry won't fare well here in Vermont.

[Sean Reynolds]

41. So you were wrong.

It's obvious he didn't BARELY win the Vermont primary. It's obvious Democrats IN FACT do like Dean up in Vermont. It's obvious you don't know CRAP about the state.

[slinkerwink]

42. Dean WON Vermont! I love it when some assumptions turn out to be false

[Mick Knox]

3. Not even 2nd place IMO nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Probably not

Gephardt remained on the ballot in his home state after he dropped out. He didn't come anywhere near getting any delegates, only managing to beat Kucinich and Uncommitted.

[RogueTrooper]

6. He may very well do

Neither Kerry or Edwards are on the ballot. The local papers have endorsed him and the exit polls show him with 66%.

[WilliamPitt]

9. Neither Kerry or Edwards are on the ballot?

Really? CNN says different:

Vermont updated: 11:10 a.m., March 2

Dean
Kerry
Kucinich

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/03/02/index.html

[RogueTrooper]

11. My mistake

Kerry is, Edwards is not.

[WilliamPitt]

14. No sweat, I didn't know, either.

Had to go look, hence the edit above.

Why on earth would Edwards skip a Super Tuesday state?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

40. Back when Dean was on top, they decided to not spend the energy

getting on the ballot. Easy now to see that was a mistake.

[Maddy McCall]

10. Kerry is on the ballot in Vermont

Edwards missed the filing deadline, but Kerry is on the ballot...I think Clark is still on the ballot, too.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[On the Road]

8. Then We Can All Drop This BS Line

about "leaving without having won a single state."

[Evil_Dewers]

16. Then We Can All Drop This BS Line

Only in Deanville in the county of Defiant is the truth 'BS'.

[Atlant]

44. Welcome to Deanville, in the county of Defiant. (NT)

[citizen snips]

15. There is a chance.

Because it is his home state.

[WI_DEM]

17. probably not

but I'm hopeful he will do well enough to garner a few delegates.

[Jersey Devil]

18. Will he win at Yahtzee against Mrs Dean?

and does it matter? Look, I started out as a Dean supporter but he's dropped out, quit, gone home, hit the road, said "Sayonara", put his feet up on the hassock and thrown a few logs on the fire and maybe even dug that old model of an F-15 out of the closet that he never finished gluing together so he could finish it.

So what would it matter if he got 5 votes or 5,000 votes or 500,000 in Vermont when he's already told everyone he isn't running anymore?

[Dutch]

19. who cares?

[Zynx]

20. It would be nice for him to win a state.

Just so he isn't called "winless" if for no other reason.

[sangh0]

23. Dean already won VT

.

[Evil_Dewers]

26. Will Dean win Vermont?

Who gives a shit? He ain't running for president anymore.

[Duder]

27. Yup, Dean kicks ass

Vermont
Dean 63
Kerry 33
Kucinich 3
(Edwards was not on the ballot)

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096483/

[KaraokeKarlton]

34. He might...depends on how pissed we Vermonters are

about the way so many in the press and party have spoken down of us and our state. The only three on the ballot are Dean, Kerry and Kucinich. There has never been a Vermont ballot Dean was on that he didn't win. One of our papers endorsed Dean despite the fact that he's no longer running. It's entirely possible that Dean could take over 70% of Vermont votes. He got mine. In fact, I think all the Vermonters who post here voted for Dean today. I believe the polls close at 7pm and they're doing exit polls, so we'll know soon enough. Edwards definitely won't win, though because he's not even on the ballot. Neither is Sharpton.

[Duder]

39. Dean is winning Vermont.

According to Wonkette

[JNelson6563]

43. Dean won Vermont, no sweat

But Dean haterz can still take comfort in his withdrawel from the race. There's always that.

:toast:

Julie

[Atlant]

45. But what will comfort them on Wednesday, November 3rd? (NT)

[Ripley]

46. Wow, don't you Dean haters in this thread look foolish.

Especially the ones saying he wouldn't even come in 3rd.

I guess we can clearly see who the disruptors are on this board.

[Anwen]

47. He won Vermont!!!

Wow this makes me so happy!! :D