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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:40 PM
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HuffPo: Hillary Clinton's Sleaze Parade >>>
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 07:46 PM by Stephanie
No kidding.




Hillary Clinton's Sleaze Parade
January 18, 2008
Paul Loeb

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-loeb/hillary-clintons-sleaze-_b_82183.html

Politics can be a rough game. Candidates need to hold their competitors accountable and challenge distortions and lies. And God knows, we need a Democratic nominee who's willing to fight. But Hillary Clinton's campaign has included far too many cheap shots, sleazy manipulations, and unsavory players.

New questionable actions emerge daily. You're probably familiar with many. But it's the broader pattern that disturbs me--how much the Clinton campaign seems to nurture questionable actions from her operatives, supporters, and surrogates. And how the campaign's actions go beyond drawing legitimate political lines to an all-too-Rovian instinct to do whatever's deemed necessary to take down those blocking Clinton's potential victory. Here's a representative list of actions that, taken together, offer a troubling portent for her candidacy and presidency.

Start with the hiring of chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn....

Then there are Clinton's campaign donors. Any major candidate has some dubious supporters, but Clinton's gotten money from particularly noxious sources. Start with her donation from Rupert Murdoch, who's given to no other Democrat. Add in massive amounts of money from Washington lobbyists and from industries like defense, banking, health care, and oil and energy providers (though Obama's also gotten a lot from some of these industries). Then there's Norman Hsu, who brought in over $850,000 to Hillary's campaign after returning to the US following his flight to evade a fraud conviction (Hsu was subsequently rearrested, sentenced to three years, and is facing further federal charges, and the campaign eventually returned the money he'd raised). There's the Nebraska data processing company InfoUSA, whose CEO, Vin Gupta, used private corporate jets to fly the Clintons on business, personal, and campaign trips, gave Bill Clinton a $3.3 million consulting contract, and is now being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission for allegedly diverting company money to his own personal uses. Mississippi attorney Dickie Scruggs recently canceled a major December 15 Hillary fundraiser (with Bill Clinton headlining) after being indicted for trying to bribe a judge. Major international sweatshop owners, the Saipan-based Tan family, have given Clinton $26,000, complementing their previous massive support for Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay. That doesn't even count dubious supporters from the past, like Peter Paul, the convicted con-artist turned event producer who coordinated a massive Hollywood Clinton fundraiser during the 2,000 election. Taken together, it's a pretty tainted constellation of backers.

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We can find further distortions in a mailing sent out before the Iowa caucuses by the independent expenditure committee of a key Clinton ally, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. The AFSCME mailing attacked Obama on his health care plan by using a John Edwards quote...

Other surrogates have attacked Obama's character. Twice they've tried to raise Obama's early drug use as a campaign issue--despite his having addressed it directly and frankly in his book Dreams From My Father....

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The campaign has also attempted more directly to discourage participation by voters who might support Clinton's opponents. A judge just shut down the lawsuit filed by the pro-Clinton leadership of the Nevada teacher's union...

New Hampshire saw parallel voter suppression tactics, as the campaign encouraged the New Hampshire Democratic Party to evict Obama get-out-the-vote observers from the polls. In Iowa, the Clinton Campaign tried to discourage out-of-state students from returning to their campuses to participate in the caucuses. In the Michigan primary, Clinton kept her name on the ballot after the state violated Democratic National Committee rules by moving its primary ahead of the Feb 5 "Super Tuesday" vote, while Edwards and Obama took theirs off.

Campaigns can have either closed or open information styles. Clinton's comes far too close to the Bush-Cheney model, as when the Clintons successfully killed a major story in the national men's magazine GQ about Clinton campaign infighting....

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Taken together, these examples echo the Bush's administration's tendency to attack anyone who challenges them. They echo Clinton's refusal to apologize for her Iraq war vote or for an Iran vote so reckless that Jim Webb called it "Dick Cheney's fondest pipe dream." They hardly bode well for reversing the massive erosions of transparency of the past seven years.

The list could go on, but it's the pattern that's important. It's true that one person's cheap shot artist is another's fierce competitor.... I look at the actions of her campaign, and see an ugly example, a ruthlessness not remotely equaled by either Obama or Edwards. I'll vote for the last Democrat standing, because the Republicans will continue the current administration's disastrous priorities. But Hillary's scorched-earth approach threatens to fracture the party if she does get the nomination, and to leave a trail of bitterness even if she wins. We can do better for the Democratic nominee.




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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:42 PM
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1. I am sorry but HuffingtonPost is just another hate Clinton rag. nt
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:44 PM
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2. DLC = DINOs Love Clinton!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:44 PM
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3. It would be nice if you could defend her on the issues instead of just calling names.
Your tactics mirror those outlined in the article.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:48 PM
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7. Read more. When HC is defended on the issues, opponents shut their ears. nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:50 PM
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12. A substantive response.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 07:50 PM by Stephanie
You really can't defend her on the issues, all you're capable of is name-calling?
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:49 PM
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9. Why don't you post a rebuttal then?
Instead of labeling with a shred of proof?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:03 PM
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26. crickets
if you do get a response, it will be to call you a BASHER.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:50 PM
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11. sure seems like there are alot of those. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:46 PM
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4. Rove studied Atwater's penchant for sleaze: Bill and Mark Penn are honing it to *a science*
Have they no f**king shame?!?

THE PEOPLE need to tell these "divide and conquer" political scumbags "NO WAY!"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:27 PM
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27. It's really disappointing.
But I'm not really surprised. She strongarms the local pols in NY.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:47 PM
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5. Arianna still has some of her Republican Clinton-Hate going on. NT
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:48 PM
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8. some?---me thinks it is coming out of her ears!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:13 PM
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19. She didn't write it. And what about answering the charges?
Do you defend these tactics? Or is your only response to slime the publisher?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:18 PM
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20. I don't agree with the premise of the charges. But I do have to acknowledge
that it is Arianna's blog, she is intimately involved in it, and she's hated Hillary ever since her old Republican days.

It's fine - it's her blog and I read it anyway.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:48 PM
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6. No kidding.!!---and you bring this smut from Huffy to DU!!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:49 PM
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10. Huffington is jealous because nobody gives a shit about her.
If it wasn't for her billionaire gay-ex husband she'd be working behind the perfume counter. Her and her neo-liberal buddies are worthless shit.

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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:50 PM
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13. Proof?
"Huffington is jealous because nobody gives a shit about her."

Prove it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:54 PM
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17. Prove the law of gravity
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 07:54 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:59 PM
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18. Way to avoid the question.
But if your interested in gravity try:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newtongrav.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question232.htm

Now would anyone else like to answer my question or is the best you can do?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:51 PM
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15. Please look up neo-liberal.
I don't think you understand the definition.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:50 PM
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14. Let me give you an assist here
Some time ago I started thinking Mark Penn resembled Karl Rove in tactical maneuvers. It occurred to me perhaps there might be a connection. I googled Mark Penn Karl Rove and was extremely surprised at the hits I received. Granted, the ones I started to read were opinion posts suggesting exactly my suspicion. But one of those quotes was from Edwards himself. He remarked Mark Penn was Hillary Clinton's Karl Rove. After I read that, I did not spend the next couple of hours flipping through the remainder of the pages. If Edwards thinks that, it's good enough for me.

Try that Google search yourself and see what you think.

Sam

Sample Hit:

HRC's Blackwater Connection
"I also saw this morning that Senator Clinton's primary advisor, Mark Penn who is like her Karl Rove–-his firm is representing Blackwater," Edwards said. ...
www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=240313 - 36k - Cached - Similar pages
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:53 PM
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16. It's kind of tragic that's what the Clintons have become.
What a sad outcome for them.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:41 PM
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21. it is a shame that paul uses the word sleaze
after reading about him and reviews of his books i can see why he detests clinton. sometimes using words detracts from the message.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:46 PM
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22. He might not have written the headline himself - an editor could have.
Who knows. But the article bears it out.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:59 PM
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24. yes they do...
i forgot that much of this has already been aired here at du over the last few months...interesting how the distraction is working.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:47 PM
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23. Goddam...thats a long rap shit..
can we fight the reThugs with a rap shit that long,

hmmm

:wow:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:58 PM
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25. It's fodder for them, no doubt.
But the reason it bothers me is because it shows her lack of TRUTHFULNESS and INTEGRITY. We are better than this. We don't need another disingenuous sleazy corporate sellout in the WH.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:01 PM
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28. My God Stephanie you should be purged
some people don't like facts. La la la la la la la la you hate Hillary! la la la la I can't hear you.

(and as I might point out to others who claim the Huff post is nothing but a hate rag against the Clintons they have posted just as negative stuff-some of it actually baseless like the Larry O'Donnell opinion-against Edwards-I don't know what they've posted against Obama but I'm sure there has been plenty-it's a place with open opinions-not a rah rah around any with a D behind their name site)
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