Today is the day Hillary Clinton loses the nomination

[Joe the Revelator]

She's down big in national polls, she's going to come in a distant second or third place today, and people are getting sick of the Billary Campaign. Today gets her back on track to lose this thing to Obama or Edwards.

[TwilightZone]

1. "Down big in national polls"

Link, please.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Here ya go

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

[forsberg]

5. looks like she's still leading Obama, better get Pookie and Ray Ray

[goldcanyonaz]

18. !!!!!!

HAHA!

:rofl:

[jlake]

41. !

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TwilightZone]

11. She's ahead in that poll.

Besides, one day in one poll does not a campaign make.

Now, if you look at all of the polls and not just one you hand-picked, you'll find that she's up an average of eight points:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_primaries.html

[Joe the Revelator]

14. She's trending downwards, and just lost an 11 point lead in that poll

Keep hoping that it doesn't mean anything.

[TwilightZone]

21. One day is not a trend.

[creeksneakers2]

59. Not compared to about a week ago

She's been lower than this before too. Hillary is gaining.

[BenDavid]

83. rasmussen, right leaning pollster...but it tis not the national polls

one should look at. It is the state by state polling and if you do that you will see of all the major and middle major states and some states with minor delegates hrc is leading double digits......HRC will win in florida and then on 2/5 she will win at least 15 to 117 of the states.....

[Clinton Crusader]

84. Gallup - Jan. 20, 2008 - Looks like she's doin' fine

Gallup Daily Election Polling Results for the Democratic Presidential Nomination

Clinton - 47%
Obama - 31%
Edwards - 12%

[MzShellG]

54. No doubt

I attended an Obama rally here in Columbia at the Koger center (USC-gamecocks), where the doors opened at 8:45pm, and he didn't speak until 10:30pm. It was over at midnight, but the facility was packed. Even the two upper balconies were full. The line had been wrapped all the way around the corner, and couple of blocks down the sidewalk. There were people of all races there and the crowd was totally fired up, even in 30 degree temps. Volunteers held huge Obama signs at the nearest intersection and MANY people honked their horns to show support. The whole event was just so awsome. Sen. Obama addressed every subject with his unique eloquence and humor. Michelle was so classy and sophisticated. At midnight, when we left, there was such an energizing atmosphere.

[forsberg]

3. um no, today is the 2nd nail in obama's coffin

he's finished after super tuesday

[Big Blue Marble]

6. Be careful what you say.

The worm may be turning. At least it is wiggling a bit.

[cali]

8. and that's almost as silly as the OP

no one is through after today.

[mondo joe]

12. All 3 candidates are still viable, and the race could go in any direction.

[cali]

4. Oh stop it. this is absurd. She's still the prohibitive favorite

it's just silly to duck that reality.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Hey Cali, why don't you stop trying so hard to keep everyone happy

You're a joke of a poster, a joke of a supporter, and more trouble then your worth. You're a Hillary shill hiding behind an Obama avatar.

[ClericJohnPreston]

23. I had to take a screen shot of that post.

For posterity. :rofl:

Guess you're not CULTIST enough Cali. There is nothing as ugly as watching a cult eat one of it's own, when they actually dare to be, dare I say, HONEST!:scared:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

[Clintonista2]

56. lmfao

[cali]

50. I've always been honest about Obama

I've written literally dozens of posts critical of him and I've certainly always known he's a longshot.

I'm not remotely like the OP, though I daresay I think the two of you have a lot in common, with the silly crap you both spew.

[Laurab]

31. Hey, Wolsh, we already have mods.

Cali is right - unfortunately Hillary is still the "favorite", although she's losing ground. Let's hope the trend continues, but your OP is ridiculous. And I'm an Obama supporter.

[cali]

33. bwahahaha

oh man, that is really funny, considering many of Hill's supporters think I'm the meanest Obama supporter around. You really are a bit slow, well a lot slow, so I should cut you some slack. Nah. Watching you post your stream of idiot crap is ust pathetic. The word lame doesn't even beging to capture it, cupcake.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. Cali, keep whining about how everyone is just so "gosh dern mean" and how above the fray your are

You're the Maude Flanders of DU.

[cali]

46. You're mistaking lmao at you for whining.

Only someone as befuddled as poor wittle wolshie could manage that.

And I haven't a clue at to who Maude Flanders is. My guess would be it's some character on some idiotic show on the boob tube. Unless you meant Moll Flanders, the title character of DeFoe's novel, but somehow I don't see you reading late 17th century literature.

[Joe the Revelator]

49. Boob Tube huh?

You sound like a barrel of fun Grandma. Keep sitting their, being undeservedly pretentious, as you make a fool of yourself to everyone other then the other lame grandma's on DU.

[cali]

53. I'm not quite as old as you seem to think , you ageist

little darling. And in case you didn't notice, pookie, everyone's laughing at you- as per usual, sweetums.

[Joe the Revelator]

64. You can't even condesend well, sport

Keep trying though, Grams. Maybe one day you'll actually be as tough as you think you are.

And the only people laughing at me are Hillary supporters who you allow to use you as a "real" Obama supporter. You're the only supporter on the board who consistently thinks that "their candidate" has no chance of winning. Even Kuccinich supporters had more hope then you.

[cali]

67. uh huh

sure, wolshie. The only people laughing at you are Hillary supporters. Yeah, right. Tell it to the Edwards supporters and other Obama supporters mocking your nonsense blowhard crap, sonny.

[Joe the Revelator]

68. A couple of people who appriciate you running Obama down while sporting his Avatar

Don't worry me in the slightest. Keep playing your bullshit games Cali, you've done your job, using your stupidity to ruin another thread.

Keep up the good work.

[cali]

86. you ruined this thread with your taunting blowhard bullshit,

and you seem to utterly incapable of learning. Read the responses, genius. They're pretty unanimously in agreement with me.

[Clintonista2]

58. Wolsh is correct (for once)

Cali acts "above the fray," while at the same time acting like a rabid animal towards everybody she disagrees with...

[rodeodance]

71. yeah, but w. said c. was a Hill shrill

[Clintonista2]

75. Wolsh is an idiot

He just happens to be right about Cali being the maude flanders of DU

[Andy823]

60. Don't worry Cali

You have still have my vote as the one of the "meanest" Obama supporters around! :hi:

Seriously, you are very dedicated, and even if we disagree, I still admire you for that! :thumbsup:

[cali]

62. thanks- I think

I do like to believe that supporting a candidate hasn't blinded me to the realities on the ground, and you certainly are one of the most dedicated Edwards supporters, and I admire your dedication to your candidate as well.

[Andy823]

82. We have one thing in common

We aren't going to vote for Hillary in the primaries! :think:

[Skip Intro]

34. You are the joke. And a prime example of why I could never back Obama.

Too many like you.

What a jerk.

[rodeodance]

72. poster does give Obama supporters

a bad name------but many do so all on their own.

[Igel]

85. Seems to me that she's right, at least in a couple of her posts.

Nobody's through after today. The vast majority of delegates are up for grabs, and screw ups or brilliant coverage could propel Edwards into the #1 spot. Or Obama. Or leave HRC there.

On the other hand, HRC is currently the person to beat, and there's no great evidence that she's beaten.

The two statements aren't contradictory, nothing in either one entails that the other is false, so it's possible for them to both be true. I think they are both true, or at least likely.


And I have no favored candidate. I see big drawbacks with each of them (and some pluses, to be sure). Don't have a primary where I live until March, don't intend to do much campaigning for any candidate.

[catagory5]

19. Real Clear Politics Polls.

Democratic Presidential Nomination
I see you are posting one poll when there are many to go by. (The one that makes your canidate look a bit better) hmmmmmm.

This has gotten so silly with everyone (including myself) throwing up polls and quotes and he said she said's.......None of what we are posting or saying is making a difference to the outcome is it? We just have to wait and see.
And pray that come next year we are not under 4 more years of RePug's control.....

Love one another!




Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Edwards Spread
RCP Average 01/11 - 01/22 - 42.3 33.1 13.0 Clinton +9.2
NBC/WSJ 01/20 - 01/22 Adults 47 32 12 Clinton +15.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 01/18 - 01/22 532 LV 42 33 11 Clinton +9.0
AP-Ipsos 01/15 - 01/17 453 RV 40 33 13 Clinton +7.0
CNN 01/14 - 01/17 448 RV 42 33 17 Clinton +9.0
USA Today/Gallup 01/11 - 01/13 1021 LV 45 33 13 Clinton +12.0
Reuters/Zogby 01/11 - 01/13 459 LV 39 38 9 Clinton +1.0
Rasmussen (Fri) 4 Day Tracking 750 LV 41 30 16 Clinton +11.0
See All Democratic Presidential Nomination Polling Data

[rodeodance]

65. You still believe what media says?--tsk tsk

Oh stop it. this is absurd. She's still the prohibitive favorite
Posted by cali


it's just silly to duck that reality.

[tabatha]

7. I am an Obama supporter...

but that is just wishful thinking.
Clyburn said it best - he is expecting a brokered convention.

[Barack_America]

10. From your keyboard to God's ears!

With the tactics her campaign has used lately, she has shown us just how dangerous her presidency would be to this country.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. She's lost two engines and is well on her way to crashing and burning.

[ClericJohnPreston]

27. BLUSTER much???

Glad you're not one of those cultist hyperbolic....oops... :rofl:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. The Kid Treats This Like It Was The Super Bowl

ROTFLMFAO

[Joe the Revelator]

40. No if I was doing that, I'd take a page out of your book and spin polls all day on DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I Report Them And All Polls From The Same Time Period

You cherry pick polls and then make tedententious arguments based on them...

It is what it is...

[Joe the Revelator]

51. Come on NewsHound, you know thats not true

You post and spin with the worst of us. The main difference is, while you're doing it, you whine about how much of a victim Hillary is.

[cali]

36. even more pathetic.

all hat, no cattle, just like bushyboy.

[Blarch]

15. She can only blame herself.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. Oh goody, cuz someone needs to bake us some cookies.

[thoughtcrime1984]

30. That's a stupid statement.

Obama supporters are not calling for Hillary to bake cookies. Sheesh.

[robbedvoter]

17. Nope. SC's Obama's to lose. Or not.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. If we're losing that logic, every state has ALWAYS been Hillary's to lose

She help a double digit lead, even in SC, a month ago.

[robbedvoter]

26. Obama wins SC - he is still in the race. He loses - he is out. HIS last stand.

Not hers.

[corkhead]

22. from your lips to dog years,.. or something like that.

:toast:

[TankLV]

24. I hardly think so - but you're entitle to your opinion...

At least you're not rude like too many here...

Support the hell out of your candidate - and may the best one win...

And, as someone who's already voted for Hillary and now strongly supports her, good luck...

[usregimechange]

25. For the sake of all things holy, lets hope so.

[Perry Logan]

28. Wake me up when she's sworn in.

[AtomicKitten]

32. It won't be today.

The Clintons will cling to this nomination until their fingers bleed.

[acmavm]

35. What is wrong with people like you? Why do you do this? Don't you ever

get embarrassed when you post something this damn stupid?

I'm not a Hillary supporter, I'm for Edwards all the way. But posts like this make me think people like you have been living on a toxic waste dump all your life. This is truly stupid.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. Instead of just acting like you see things so much better...

Why not tell me how you think Hillary can win the nomination without the south and with no momentum going into Super Tuesday.

[acmavm]

45. Who the hell says she's gonna lose the South? And who says she has

no momentum? You? Zogby? Rasmussen?

You can get as much dependable info (probably even more) from the Amazing Kreskin.

[ClericJohnPreston]

48. Better yet

how about a little truth squading here?

This race will not be decided after Super Tuesday by either Obama or Hillary. That is FACT ( I know you are uncomfortable with that word ).

That leaves plenty of time for the Rezko matter to get full exposure, and for Hillary to antagonize voters.

Fortunately, that leaves plenty of time for the best debater to get full exposure of himself and his message.

Guess who?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I'll Play

What states , southern or elsewhere, is Obama leading in beside South Carolina,Illinois, South Carolina, Maryland, and Georgia?

Oh, you are mistaken by discounting Florida...Even in the unlikely event those delegates aren't seated Hillary is going to make sure everybody in the press will be talking about them in the couple of days...

[AJH032]

79. agreed!

n/t

[Beacool]

42. Ooohhhh Wolsh, you're such a joker!!!!!!!!

Obama will easily win today, Hillary will win a big portion of the Feb. 5th states.

Let's talk Feb. 6th, by then we'll have a better idea who's going to be our nominee.


:eyes:

[jlake]

43. Bookmarked. You really should open a psychic hotline.

Your predictions have been so accurate thus far. :eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

55. Please point me towards any prediction that I've made that hasn't come true.

[Maven]

77. Okay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4002538
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3963241
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3941542

There are a lot more, but you get the idea.

[Joe the Revelator]

80. Only one of those was a "prediction", and so far that has held true

She has yet to win the most delegates in any state.

[Endangered Specie]

47. According to the polls on electoral-vote.com

shes doing just fine... check em out

www.electoral-vote.com

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. That Would Be An Awesome Site If It Was Updated

~

[TwilightZone]

66. They did a good job of keeping it updated during the '04 campaign.

I was hoping it would be a good source again this cycle, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

[Kahuna]

61. I know one thing. Bill came off as totally bizzare in the CNN video

a few days ago. "Barack put a hit out on me????" Wtf was he smoking? I want some of that.

Some of the Shrillaries actually think that was a good thing. :scared:

[denem]

63. Today is the day the OP shrieks again like a baboon

But his Hillary murdered Vince Foster post will always have special place in my heart. :sarcasm:

[Joe the Revelator]

70. If you didn't get the purpose of that post, then don't blame me.

[Maven]

78. SSDD.

[Little Star]

69. Sweet dreams Wolsh. n/t

[Tom Strong]

73. "Today is the day I win the lottery!"

"And also have sex with Angie Jolie."

Oh, the power of positive thinking. ;-)

[ShortnFiery]

74. These shamefully behaving Lee Atwater descendants have beaten the RACIST AND GENDER divisive horses

to death.

Give up on it - The American People have pulled off your masks of unbridled arrogance.

May the politics of "divide and conquer" through both RACE and GENDER baiting die a long over-due death.

God Bless Obama and all the "UNITY" he is capable of bringing to The American People. The People who struggle with children's health care and mortgage payments, not the BLOATED *leaders* shilling for the ROYALTY within the entrenched "old guard" of the DLC's RULING CLASS.

May your disgusting RACE and Gender baiting "dirty tricks" continue to fall on deaf ears. ;)

[neutron]

76. Blah Blah

Always Hype, and Never Substance.

[dionysus]

81. we can hope but don't start counting those chickens till after feb 5th

n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

87. Kick