The Skull & Bones Question (okay, so ridicule me)

[JackRiddler]

Poll question: The Skull & Bones Question (okay, so ridicule me)

Mr. Russert: You both were members of Skull and Bones, a secret society at Yale. What does that tell us?

Senator Kerry: Not much, because it’s a secret.

— Meet the Press, August 31, 2003

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Mr. Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society.

President Bush: It’s so secret we can’t talk about it.

— Meet the Press, Taped on February 7, 2004

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Let's pretend S & B is not a mutual-blackmail society dedicated to the corruption and subsequent ruthless advancement of its members to positions of power.

Let's pretend instead that it's a juvenile diversion for rich kids, that "the secret" is some triviality, and that keeping it is just part of the joke.

Now let's fast-forward to the 2004 election.

Why are Bush and Kerry both giving the same answer?

Is it okay to remain loyal to a juvenile oath, even as a presidential candidate in your 50s? Even when this behavior raises suspicions and makes many people mistrust the whole system?

Why not just dismiss S & B as a drinking club or something otherwise trivial?

Given how easily misunderstandings arise in our volatile political culture, wouldn't a responsible candidate just come clean?

[salin]

1. Robb's a dingbat

:D

[kixot]

2. The S&B thing makes me a little uneasy about a Kerry presidency.

I don't know, there may be something there or there may not be but refusing to answer basic questions doesn't make it any less suspicious.

[boobooday]

3. I don't give a crap about their secret

Unless it will explain why this particular society is SO OVERREPRESENTED in the halls of power?

Could it be a white men's club devoted to the status quo?

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[ozone_man]

23. If we told you that ....

let's just say that it's a secret and leave it at that, OK? ;-)

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

4. I think it involves some pecker rubbing

See the pay S&B website. The free site isn't that great.

[JackRiddler]

5. almost makes sense...

yeah, if the S&B parties were wild enough and involved orgies or some such, even if that's all there was to it, and if it can be shown that all members go through that (as ritual or whatever), then that revelation alone would have quite an impact, given the state of the American mind...

I must admit I'm looking forward to it!

[bigtree]

6. One of the authors of this smear: Antony C. Sutton

The September 11th Attack, the War on Terror and the Order of Skull & Bones • Memoir • Antithesis: Financing The Nazis by Antony Sutton

Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/newstart/bohemian-grove /

“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[JackRiddler]

11. who is smearing here?

First of all, what you cite does not mention S&B, only the Bohemian Grove. Way to go on being off-point.

Second, I have no clue what "they" really do at S&B, or if it matters. I think my concern that it might matter is legitimate. This is a long-running secret society whose members have ended up running the spook world. The prospective candidates both refuse to defuse the matter. Instead, they make it worse by saying there's a secret in the first place.

Third, speculations about wild parties (the only thing I mentioned - I said nothing about child molesting or anything illegal), where there might have been some "pecker rubbing" (in hmhb's words) are not a smear in themselves -- at least not to me, certainly not involving a bunch of single college students.

However, the American mentality at present is such that even something as trivial as orgies among consenting adults, orgies that conceivably might have included both Bush and Kerry, would be considered terrible, terrible.

I confess that I would find the revelation of same to be comical, comical...

[bigtree]

14. Aww, whatever. Who the hell cares? N' me.

Republicans:

OOOOO! Scary!
:scared::scared::scared::scared:

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

15. No, no. It is all about rubbing your own pecker

S&B Manual, Chapter 12: Proper Self-Gratification

[Tim_in_HK]

51. Massive amounts

of circle jerking. I'd not want to talk about it either!

[SerpentX]

7. If it were the Freemasons instead of S&B, would this even be an issue?

[Minstrel Boy]

34. Er, well, actually,

yes.

And before you think I'm braying at the moon, read up on, say, the secret masonic lodge P2, its fascist leader Licio Gelli, and his good friend George Bush Sr. Gelli and P2 had a hand in October Surprise, Banco Ambrosiano and the death of Roberto Calvi, BCCI, elite child sex rings, terrorist bombings falsely pinned on the Red Brigade, numerous assassinations (rumoured to have included Pope Paul I) and many more high crimes. Silvio Berlusconi's name was found on its secret members' rolls in the early 1980s, before he entered politics.

P2, a secret masonic lodge, is no paranoid delusion. It just seems that way.

Now, this isn't to say all Masons are evil. But a funny thing about evil men: they like to keep secrets, and appear drawn to societies which keep them.

[Tim_in_HK]

54. Now you've done it . . .

Watch out.

[parasim]

8. It sure baffles me...

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why more people don't take this seriously.

So, it's ok with everyone that some childish oath taken while in college trumps The Oath of Office?

It's just so funny to hear a sitting president refuse to answer a question that many Americans are concerned about precisely because they are so secretive about it?

The idea that this "boy's club" have admitted to stealing the sacred remains of Geronimo desrespecting the entire Native American community is just a laugh-riot?

John Quincy Adams' belief that those who take oaths to politically international secret societies cannot be depended on for loyalty to a democratic republic. Secret societies were spurned by Samuel Adams and John Hancock as well.

But, oh yeah, I forget, nobody cares about history either...

[Catholic Sensation]

10. many americans are concerned?

I can think of maybe five, and they are all members of the Democratic and Underground Secret Society.

[parasim]

12. Sure, be glib...

You're certainly in good company with Bush and his fellow bonesmen...

I suspect it must be of some concern to some citizens anyway, since it did make it into the question list for the Russert interview and it is seems to be brought up by a couple of callers daily on C-span these days...

[GodHelpUsAll2]

66. If you think

there are only 5 then you may want to think again. S&B, Freemasons, Knights of Templar check them out. ALL connected. But then again, why bother. After all, knowledge is only power and we can't have any of that can we.

[tobius]

72. We only have access to the knowledge they give us

Even with all the facts, their power is too strong. It will be easier for those who do not fight. It is now inevitable.



It spells MASON.

[SerpentX]

16. FDR was a Freemason. So was Truman.

So was Jesse Helms, oddly enough. S&B are pissants compared to the Masons, yet the country has managed to survive 14 Presidents, at least 34 Supreme Court Justices, and Bob knows how many members of Congress who were Masons.

[parasim]

19. Perhaps you're right...

but under which administration has this country become more hated internationally, has amassed the biggest deficit, has pandered more to corporate interests, is just plain more corrupt than any other in history? A Bonesman's.

I'm just sayin'...

[Streetdoc270]

63. Dont forget GW...

Washington was also a Freemason, also Masonic iconography is prevelent in government just look at the one dollar bill....

[kiahzero]

37. I'm not familiar with the Oath of Office

Does it mention revealing the secrets of all the fraternal organizations you belong to?

[parasim]

49. No, it doesn't

but it does mention faithfully executing the office of the president as well as protecting and defending the Constitution.

Well, since this particular organization's actions are secret, we wouldn't know if he was breaking that oath, would we? Perhaps all members of S&B are also members of say, the Nazi Party or something, how would we know?

[anti-NAFTA]

9. Quite frankly it disgusts me.

I don't like the idea that both parties will be head by two people who are in the same secret society, which was created by Wall Street financiers who wanted to let the capitalist pigs rule the workers until the end of time. What do Freepers think about this? Don't they feel like they're being played?

[WitchWay]

18. It disgusts me too.

I am also very concerned about this organization. I urge people to think of it as a corrupt, exclusive business organization who are into some pretty shady dealings. Research Skull and Bones in terms of its history and present membership. Look at it in terms of opium trade in China, the military Industrial Complex (Carlyle and Halliburton, Brown & Root), Nazi banking, oil industry, and in intelligence. They have members in upper levels of the media and CIA. Daddy Bush is an example of a CIA bonesman.

Once you get beyond the "ritualism" and "mystique" -- there exists a very powerful group of people with business and government interests. The interests are very much tied into imperialistic activity, and their secrecy prohibits public scrutiny. I believe that they use the ties in both parties to control BOTH parties, so that whichever way the election goes, its always their way.

Just my two cents.

[anti-NAFTA]

27. Yes sir.

It is a connection to business interests and is very dangerous.

[MurrayDelph]

13. I keep having the feeling

we are going to be asked to choose between Kang and Kodos!

[JackRiddler]

17. "well, don't blame me...

I voted for Kodos!"

[JHBowden]

20. We can do better than this.

Given all Bush has done for polluters and pharmaceuticals etc. over the last four years, why the fuck are we talking about the X-files?

[parasim]

21. Actually, we're not talking about the X-files

We're talking about Skull and Bones. Try to keep up.

So you're all about the lone-gunman theory, huh?

[Catholic Sensation]

22. well according to several sites i've seen on skull and bones

they believe George HW Bush had an active role in JFK's assassination. Both the magic bullet and the speculation by skull and bones "researchers" are equally ridiculous.

[parasim]

25. Oh I see...

You spend time on "several sites" on skull and bones reading up on researcher's ridiculous speculation for entertainment then. Funny, I got the impression that you had no interest in the subject.

Oh well, feel free to consider me part of your evening's entertainment.

[Dancing_Dave]

24. It's bad news, but

Of course I'll vote for Kerry over Bush anyway. Kerry being so rediculously secretive about this is not going to help in the Midwest, he really needs to sound a more populist note than Bush to win here now, and he can only get more credibility than Bush by really being more OPEN than Bush.

Kerry's making a mistake in how he handles this, thats all. Perhaps some of his supporters here could help enlighten him.;)

[parasim]

26. You're absolutely right.

Kerry has the perfect opportunity to show the American public that he is not as secretive as the present administration by denouncing the immature boy's club.

and perhaps even start to put an end to the appalling tradition of robbing Native American burial grounds by frathouses in the process.

[tameszu]

28. You forgot an option

How about: I know exactly what Skull & Bones is, it's not a secret, so it's trivial.

Look, Yale is an elistist breeding ground for future leaders. The big problem isn't that we have 2 S&Bers going at it, but of all of the mainstream candidates running, more than half of them went through Yale. This is a big problem. Skull and Bones is only adds 0.001% more elitism, so it's utterly silly to harp on it.

[tameszu]

29. If you invited me to ridicule you,

would it be within the rules to say, "stop harping on S&B--it's ridiculous? Oh yeah, and stop supporting the racist Buchanan, you moran?"

=P

[JackRiddler]

31. sigh...

As it says right in my sig line: it's not Pat Buchanan, it's JOHN.

He can't help what his name is.

Why don't you go to his site at johnbuchanan.org and figure out what it is about, why he's running, and why the mods haven't tombstoned me?

And then you can come back here and apologize.

[tameszu]

40. Ooops, OK

I apologize for the Pat Buchanan thing--but, ya gotta admit, the BUCHANAN part of your photo is awfully large, compared to the much smaller, grey-scaled sig line...plus, the Evil Buchanan is also an anti-WTO, anti-corporatist.

But I will feel as though I ripped you off if I didn't at least have one piece to offer you. So I will still fart in your general direction for harping on the S&B thing, you moran! (Short version: I go to Yale. 4 of the 7 mainstream candidates running for president this season went to Yale. Yale is very elitist and a symptom of the concentration of power. This is a big problem. S&B is like adding chocolate sprinkles to the top of that problem. It is UTTERLY TRIVIAL, especially when you compare it with the very open elitism of Yale and the general way in which the U.S. class structure works. Thus, you are a moran for continuing to bring this up. But at least you were kind enough to invite ridicule.)

:evilgrin:

[WitchWay]

53. utterly trivial

I don't know how you can say that elitism wihin elitism becomes utterly trivial, especially since you agree that there are issues with concentrations of power adn the U.S. class system. Its not trivial to anyone who suffers on the other side of classism.

Concentration of power for a few, becomes rampant oppression for many. That Kerry associates himself with symbols of such powers DOES say much about his character. That he joined an organization that is exclusive to most Americans, is very telling about his upbringing and what he THINKS of most Americans. This becomes an issue of trust. I don't think that this is utterly trivial.

Kerry should not be involved in this society. there are ethical problems with being in this sort of an organization. Bush thought it was okay to be in this organization, too.

[tobius]

59. Do you really think he can just walk away?

The Monitors do not even allow for the thought to enter his mind. All free will centers in his cortex have been thoroughly compromised.

[tobius]

30. Be careful how much information you uncover----

you must not compromise your safety.

[JackRiddler]

32. oh, that's all right...

very thoughtful of you just the same.

[sangh0]

33. The SnB issue everybody ignores

Why isn't anyone concerned about how the elite secret society known as SnB discriminates? Don't people realize that secret societies are supposed to be open to all?

[RKO]

35. He should come clean.

If it is just a trivial club, what's the problem? If there really is secret dealings, murders, and whatever "urban legends" I hear about the S & B, maybe it is true?

Who knows? :shrug:

[kiahzero]

36. Some people clearly don't understand important things about frats

Almost all frats have secrets. It's not unnatural. It's really no different than Freemasons, Order of the Eastern Star, or any other fraternal organization.

It's a frat. Period.

[Minstrel Boy]

38. Do almost all frats

steal and display the skulls of great North American native leaders as trophies? I really missed out in college.

It's not a frat. It's a society with life-long bonds. Bonds Kerry still honours. (For instance, in 1986, in his Senate office, he surprised Jacob Weisberg, now editor of Slate, with a "tap" to join S&B. Weisberg refused, and voiced surprise that someone known as a liberal would belong to such a group.)

You don't need to believe S&B is an order of the Illuminati to be disturbed by the untoward accumulation of power and influence it has in American life. Three generations of Bush men, and both presidential candidates. No worries?

[kiahzero]

39. A few things:

First: From things everyone else has said, one is only eligible to join S&B one's senior year at Yale.

Second: All frats have life-long bonds... that's the point of joining a frat. You make connections to help you in life later down the line.

Third: Hadn't heard the one about stealing the corpse of Geronimo... not sure how much credence I give it, considering the source.

[Catholic Sensation]

41. it's speculation based on evidence so weak if this were brought

before a judge, the case would be thrown out. Just like the claims Bush sr. had an integral role in the assasination of John F. Kennedy.

[Minstrel Boy]

42. Geronimo's skull is there:

In the 1980s Ned Anderson, former chairman of the San Carlos Apache tribe in Arizona, tried to get it back.

He and his attorney met with bonesman Jonathan Bush (yes, another Bush bonesman - Dubya's uncle). Bush told him "I know what you came for and I'm going to see to it that you will get what you want and be satisfied." After that, he couldn't be reached.

Later they met with S&B's counsel, and they came away with a skull said to be the one they were looking for. But it looked different than the photo from the tomb they had in their possession, displayed as Geronimo's. They had it analysed: it was that of a 10-year old boy.

Then the Bonesmen tried to persuade Anderson to sign a document stipulating the society didn't have the skull, and he refused.

Anderson later asked his Senator John McCain to intervene with George HW Bush, but McCain told Anderson Bush wouldn't return his call.

Today the skull Anderson wanted returned remains in the tomb, and it's still known as Geronimo by Bonesmen.

The above info is from the rather unsensational telling of the S&B story, Secrets of the Tomb by fellow Yalie Alexandra Robbins.

[Minstrel Boy]

43. kicking it, because

I think a lot of people discount the Geronimo skull story as urban legend.

[snoochie]

46. That really irritates me - THIS IS NOT AN URBAN LEGEND!

Have some respect for Native Americans, PLEASE don't just brush this off. Imagine if it was the skull of one of YOUR ancestors they were doing God knows what with!

http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=2947

I Stole the Head of Prescott Bush! More Scary Skull and Bones Tales
by Ron Rosenbaum

(snip)

I was fascinated by this account: Soon to be President Bush’s brother offering the Apaches a skull their father was said to have stolen! Demanding the Apaches be sworn to silence presumably to protect the Bush family as well as Bones. But looking further into the episode I found an even more extraordinary detail about that face-to-skull meeting: the Skull of the Unknown Child. It appeared in an earlier account of the Geronimo controversy that first ran in 1988 in the Arizona Republic. In it, Republic reporter Paul Brinkley-Rogers reveals another fact about the document the Bush/Bones delegation asked the Apaches to sign: "Anderson called the document ‘very insulting to Indians.’ also said he was confused and annoyed because the document said that Skull and Bones members had submitted the skull to ‘an expert in New Haven’ who determined that the remains were those of a child and therefore ‘cannot possibly be those of Geronimo.’"

Chilling! Now we not only have the mystery of the skull of Geronimo, we have the mystery of the skull of a child. What was George Bush’s brother doing with a dead child’s skull in his hands? (A message left at Jonathan Bush’s number in Connecticut was not returned.)

Chilling as well in its implication of the presumptions of privilege: Hey you naïve Apaches, we don’t have the skull you wanted, but if you sign this document and keep your mouth shut, we’ll give you another skull we happen to have lying around. Treating the Apache like a child.

But meanwhile, I want to know: Who was that child? And how did his or her head end up in the Skull and Bones Tomb?

[parasim]

50. Here's a link...

on the Geronimo story, if you're interested:

http://www.indiancountry.com/?1064420579

[Zookeeper]

44. An obvious difference between the Masons (etc.) and ...

S&B is who is able to join the club. Most fraternal clubs are large organizations, basically open to anyone with a penis. S&B is a very elite club of boys on their way to positions of power.

BTW, I used to demonstrate at the entrance of the Bohemian Grove and knew men who worked there. They didn't say much about what went on, except that the "campers" put on plays.

[DebJ]

45. I wanted this option: just vote into Presidency a NON S&B member!

[beachbum]

47. Atlantic Monthly Article on Skull & Bones

A rare look inside Skull and Bones, the Yale secret society and sometime haunt of the presumptive Republican nominee for President

by Alexandra Robbins



http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins.htm

[JackRiddler]

48. Hey you, don't confuse things.

Who cares if Alexandra Robbins was published by The Atlantic?

Obviously the only fact we need to diss and dismiss her is that Art Bell's site linked to one of her articles!

As to other comments above, it is worth noting:

SKULL AND BONES IS NOT A FRAT.

Frats are run by their members, who live in the frat house and have drinking parties.

Bush was in a frat his whole time at Yale, and headed it in his senior year. (Kerry was elected to head the Political Union. See, there is a difference between these guys, I shan't deny it.)

S&B is a club actually run by its sponsors, its alumni who stick together and help each other rise up in politics and business. Membership is granted only to 15 seniors per class. They do not live at the S&B house. They enter a secretive and ritualistic network for career advancement, one that seems to employ dubious means and is based on the idea of the elect. Evidence suggests the members are bound to each other by the accumulation of blackmail points usable against betrayers. This may explain why both Kerry and Bush rushed to make the identical "joke" when asked to explain themselves to the public.

Given that, why shouldn't I ask: Which oath is higher, that of S&B or of office?

Even if not sinister beyond that, S&B demonstrates the common class and common values from which these two candidates emerged.

While Kerry advocates a more progressive politics and a Bush election would be utterly disastrous and unleash the right (so I am "ABB"), why I should simply ignore the above?

Kerry for three years was among the most guilty of LeBuHa - Letting Bush Happen.

My impression was that this was LeBuHOP - on purpose.

[tobius]

52. SkuBoLeBuHOP,SkuBoLeBuHOP !

"skull and bones let bush happen on purpose."

Scoobolybuhop! It is no accident that this exact lyric has been inserted into a diverse array of musical genres in American history. You, whether you know it or not, are getting closer and closer to unlocking the whole damn Shebang.


edited for quotation marks

[BootinUp]

55. LOL I think this may be a classic

Did you originate the SkuBoLeBuHOP acronym? We must preserve credit for posterity. :)

[tobius]

56. thanks- these threads keep me cracking up!

it was a natural extension of the riddlers post.

[BootinUp]

58. JackRiddler is also recognized

for his work on that.

;)

[JackRiddler]

60. Note the above responses

are typical of those who ridicule evidence of shady associations in the ruling class.

That Alexandra Robbins published in The Atlantic is ignored. No one above who ridiculed her simply for having been linked to - linked to! - by dubious sites is going to admit they were wrong.

Instead, my joke-abbreviation for Kerry's (the Democratic Party's) strategy in 2001-2003 (Letting Bush Happen on Purpose) is treated as though meant solemnly.

Latch on to something trivial, misrepresent, ridicule. Never answer the actual charges. Kill strawmen.

[tobius]

61. She has scary conclusions--

Robbin's in 2000--

That George W. keeps his Skull and Bones connections in repair is hardly a sign of anything insidious; it's just business as usual in America. Compared with his family connections and his family's Yale connections, the Skull and Bones network is just a sideshow. But in the eyes of the conspiracy-minded, interconnections of any kind, especially when cloaked in mystery and ritual, constitute virtual proof of dark doings. <snip> http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins2.htm

"The experience we have come to value in our society depends on privacy, and we are unwilling to jeopardize that life in order to solicit new members. The life which we invite you to share in our society is based on such intangible factors that we cannot meaningfully convey to you either its nature or quality."

Hardly a tool of Hades, but rather a staid wayside for students, its heyday past, its glory faded, Skull and Bones may have little more than this to conceal.

[Minstrel Boy]

64. "just business as usual in America"

And that's not scary enough for you?

[tobius]

70. scary? no.

BOO!

[Minstrel Boy]

62. Ridicule:

the last, and first, resort of the smugly ignorant.

[beachbum]

65. I offered that for informational purposes only.

Not that I cared or thought anyone cared 'who' wrote it. I just thought some of you might want to read it.

[JackRiddler]

67. read the thread so far

and you will see why it's relevant who wrote it, and that it was published in The Atlantic. The first reaction of several posters was not to deal with what Robbins writes, right or wrong, but to kill the messenger with irrelevant, ad hominem attacks (i.e., that some Art Bell site links to her work).

So however you meant it, thanks.

[snoochie]

71. They have human skulls that they do not have permission to posess

I don't know how this could NOT be an issue.

[Desertrose]

57. do these "secrets" & "secret oaths" supercede the oath as POTUS?

Maybe this is the question that needs to be asked since neither one...George W or Kerry,our Dem heir apparent, is willing to explain a bit about this *secret club*.

If this is about making friends and tight business aquaintances... again...sounds like the big monied boys are working this angle in secret...what else is kept secret???


Too much hidden and too many unanswered queestions and now they are both running for pres and I have to vote for one of them. Some choice.


Peace
DR

[IndianaGreen]

68. Yale's Skull & Bones is not a fraternity, and is not benign

For all I know, it is probably as sinister as Opus Dei.

[LiberalBushFan]

69. Assuming the blackmail material is a photo of the member performing

gay sexual acts, which is what I've heard, I'd think Kerry shouldn't say anything. On the other hand, if he does say something, and they use the photo, that would imply that they have a similar photo of Bush. If the Fundies and other homophobes realized this they wouldn't be able to vote for him anymore. I guess it's up to Kerry.

[mikehiggins]

73. I'm a "high-ranking freemason"

which is kind of an "inside" joke for us, and we have "secrets".

One of the biggest (and I'm letting you in on something here, folks) is that there ARE no secrets. Everything you ever wanted to know about our Secret and Ancient Fraternity appears on the net or in books or even comics.

I suspect most of the S&B secrecy has to do with being embarrassed at the stupid nature of the "secret rites and rituals" of that group. Many times people do things as college students that they regret forever after, and things like S&B appear to fit right into that catagory, judging from the rumors of what these clowns do.

Just another white, racist, sexist private party to reinforce the high opinion the rich and powerful have of themselves.

Come the revolution this will all be sorted out.

[tobius]

74. Ah yes, the disinformation campaign. Probably will work again.

"Howard Dean went to Yale, but he wasn't "tapped" for the Skull and Bones secret society.
Kerry has been the insiders' choice for "challenging" fellow Bonesman George Walker Bush, and while Dean is also an elite, consensus Democrat, he didn't ask the power brokers nicely to run for President, and he hasn't committed great crimes on behalf of empire (merely on behalf of Vermont companies) and therefore will not be allowed into the Oval Office. "
http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html
' Can you see the setup? The ugly work gets done by the prodigal son, the imbecile who's so easy to hate. Then, after sufficient looting and bloodshed, a kinder, gentler fascist is called upon to restore appearances. In reality, the entire thing continues to slide down the rat hole. Democrats are Republicans with a slight guilt complex. Limousine liberals. Pathetic:
Kerry said that the United Nations should have control over most of our foreign military operations. "I'm an internationalist. I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations." "

Kerry was not given a chance in Dec., Dean was leading by a mile. Final week before Iowa Dean falls off the table? Coincidence?

[JackRiddler]

75. thank you for making the point...

S&B need be nothing mysterious, mystical, or magical, nothing to do with lunatic ideas ... as you write, "just another white, racist, sexist private party to reinforce the high opinion the rich and powerful have of themselves."

And then - THEN - when they pretend to be running for President, they make a joke in front of millions that "it's a secret." It's more important to keep the trust of their class fellows and Bonesmates than to be open with the 280 million people you intend to rule.