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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:50 PM
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Frank Rich in NYT: The Billary Road to Republican Victory
WOW. Talk about hard hitting. Frank Rich comes down on Bill and Hillary.......

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For the Republicans, that means not just a double dose of the one steroid, Clinton hatred, that might yet restore their party’s unity but also two fat targets. Mrs. Clinton repeatedly talks of how she’s been “vetted” and that “there are no surprises” left to be mined by her opponents. On the “Today” show Friday, she joked that the Republican attacks “are just so old.” So far. Now that Mr. Clinton is ubiquitous, not only is his past back on the table but his post-presidency must be vetted as well. To get a taste of what surprises may be in store, you need merely revisit the Bill Clinton questions that Hillary Clinton has avoided to date.

Asked by Tim Russert at a September debate whether the Clinton presidential library and foundation would disclose the identities of its donors during the campaign, Mrs. Clinton said it wasn’t up to her. “What’s your recommendation?” Mr. Russert countered. Mrs. Clinton replied: “Well, I don’t talk about my private conversations with my husband, but I’m sure he’d be happy to consider that.”

Not so happy, as it turns out. The names still have not been made public.

Just before the holidays, investigative reporters at both The Washington Post and The New York Times tried to find out why, with no help from the Clintons. The Post uncovered a plethora of foreign contributors, led by Saudi Arabia. The Times found an overlap between library benefactors and Hillary Clinton campaign donors, some of whom might have an agenda with a new Clinton administration. (Much as one early library supporter, Marc Rich’s ex-wife, Denise, had an agenda with the last one.) “The vast scale of these secret fund-raising operations presents enormous opportunities for abuse,” said Representative Henry Waxman, the California Democrat whose legislation to force disclosure passed overwhelmingly in the House but remains stalled in the Senate.

The Post and Times reporters couldn’t unlock all the secrets. The unanswered questions could keep them and their competitors busy until Nov. 4. Mr. Clinton’s increased centrality to the campaign will also give The Wall Street Journal a greater news peg to continue its reportorial forays into the unraveling financial partnership between Mr. Clinton and the swashbuckling billionaire Ron Burkle.

At “Little Rock’s Fort Knox,” as the Clinton library has been nicknamed by frustrated researchers, it’s not merely the heavy-hitting contributors who are under wraps. Even by the glacial processing standards of the National Archives, the Clintons’ White House papers have emerged slowly, in part because Bill Clinton exercised his right to insist that all communications between him and his wife be “considered for withholding” until 2012.
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If Mr. Obama doesn’t fight, no one else will. Few national Democratic leaders have the courage to stand up to the Clintons. Even in defeat, Mr. Obama may at least help wake up a party slipping into denial. Any Democrat who seriously thinks that Bill will fade away if Hillary wins the nomination — let alone that the Clintons will escape being fully vetted — is a Democrat who, as the man said, believes in fairy tales.

Much more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27rich.htm

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:52 PM
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1. Ouch. That one's gonna leave a mark.
:kick:
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:19 AM
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15. Rich is a dork.
He was a flop at reviewing so they gave a "soft" position.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:56 PM
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2. We had 8 years of real and imagined "scandals" when Bill was prez
Does anyone really believe the right wing smear machine couldn't come up with more? The fact is, no dem candidate is safe from these kinds of attacks.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:04 PM
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5. True. That's why Hillary should stop talking about how she's been "vetted"
Rich shows us what's in store.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:04 AM
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19. The scrutiny for a presidential candidate is greater than for the spouse of a candidate or Senator.
There is more to come for sure.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:14 AM
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12. They are safe from the real ones..... by not behaving like a CLINTON!!
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:21 AM
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16. Krugman doesn't think much of Obama
and his brain is a little more functional than Frank Rich.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:57 PM
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3. So the NYT cool recommendation to vote for Hillary a few days back isnt worth much, is it?
Between Caoroline Kennedy's endorsement of Obama in Sunday's NYT, and this Frank Rich piece dissecting the Clinton's piece by piece, are the editors sure they want to continue supporting Hillary?

lol
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:22 AM
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17. I respect Krugman more than Caroline Kennedy
Krugman works for a living.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:00 PM
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4. is "Slush Fund the term I'm looking for regarding the Clinton Library?
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 11:01 PM by cryingshame
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:07 PM
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6. That's the implied fear - I do believe your term is the right one -nt
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:28 PM
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7. as I said, when a special interest pays for a service they expect to get it. They have no use for
the poor and middle class of this country.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:31 AM
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24. Ding, ding, ding...
we have a winner.

If the $$$ people giving to the WJC library gave 2 shits about the poor, they'd give the $ to a food bank or Katrina relief or any one of a million worthy causes. But they are making an "investment", one that they hope to draw returns on starting next January.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:31 PM
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8. Billary!
Frank Rich sounds angry!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 AM
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9. wow, that column is a piece of surgery...watch out "Billary"
I am so sick of her talking about this "vetted" shit, along with "35 years of experience".
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:08 AM
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10. Frank Rich is never wrong.
This really scares me. Because Obama might lose, too.

Our real hope was Edwards and we're blowing that chance.

Please tell me this isn't happening.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:12 AM
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11. you're right, and it would have been much more useful to know these
things before Iowa.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:16 AM
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13. I am thinking the same thing.
My hopes are still with Edwards.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:16 AM
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14. Oh really
go to dailyhowler and search frank rich's name. Then come back and say he isn't wrong.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:26 AM
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18. I think he's right this time.
We're going to sweat out election night. If it's close enough to rig, they'll rig it.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 07:52 AM
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20. Must Read. Rich pulls no punches here.
“The Republicans are not going to have any compunctions about asking anybody anything,” Mrs. Clinton lectured Mr. Obama. Maybe so, but Republicans are smart enough not to start asking until after she has secured the nomination.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 08:55 AM
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21. Bill Clinton has opened a can of worms...
and even if there's "nothing" of note in the secured documents, the simple appearance of impropriety will haunt Hillay & Co. from this point on.

Face it folks, it's time to "move on". Obama, Edwards, heck, how about drafting Al Gore at the convention if no one can get >50% of the delegates???
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:07 AM
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22. K & R
:kick:
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:16 AM
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23. K&R
must read
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 PM
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25. Excellent article, K&R, "Billary" will lose in 2008 against McCain
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 PM
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26. Bookmarking to refer to when President McCain is elected over HRC.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:24 PM
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27. I suppose it's futile to insist all of Rich's charges are irrelevant.
First, everything Bush has done is a trillion times worse than the petty complaints against Hillary. Second, the Hillary hatred and all of the ideas behind it are simply wrong. I mean WRONG! Why should we let them crucify the Clintons again? Why don't we say F*ck the Republican party, they are fools, they are clowns, they've screwed America over and we are going to elect the best person to fix the mess that they created. (That may be Hillary, Obama or Edwards.)

This means, focus on the issues, please, Mr. Rich. Let the GOP circus focus on the BS. Let's hope that America has learned the lesson from the Swift boat liars. In fact, the Repuke party is irrelevant. They are losers, clowns and will further lead America down hill. Focus on the BS, America, and you'll get what you deserve: BS. Elect a Democrat and BEGIN to recover from the bush disaster.
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