This post is going to be a little controversial

[seventhson]

But the issue needs to be discussed.

Is Kerry Jewish? That is - is he considered "not Jewish" by people or Jewish because he is of Jewish heritage - even though he is technically not Jewish on hs mother's side as would be required for religious Jews to consider him Jewish?

Will he then be considered the first "Jewish" president?

Is this going to be a plus or a minus in the general election overall (will he win or lose more votes as a result of his Jewish ancestry)?

How will this play out in terms of Israel and our relations with Arab countries? Will this hurt or help the cause of peace in the middle east?

Or is it totally irrelevant to the whole shebang?

I bagan to ponder this when I saw the recent news reports on Kerry having close relatives who died in the Holocaust. Kerry claimed allegedly for years that he was Irish (or allowed it to appear that way). Then he "discovered" his Jewish ancestry.

Now there are articles saying Kerry must appease the Sharon government by sucking up to them and promoting the Bush agenda in Israel - support the wall, assassinations of Palestinian militants, no right of return, tough on terrorists, etc., etc.

We are certain to hear more about this - especially from our country's and Israel's critics abroad.

I wonder if anyone else has pondered this and wonders what this will mean to his chances of winning and his chances of achieving peace or not in Iraq, Israel etc..

It may be one more reason to prepare for the worst in November. Or not.

Will it affect things? Israel policies? Politics of oil?

Or does it appear antiSemitic even to ask the question?

[metisnation]

1. So what.

I am a catholic having a catholic wedding...my best man is jewish. If anything this strengthens Kerry. How many more groups can he possible identify with?? This guy is a winner.

JFK 04!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. This isn't controversial, it's just bigoted.

[Indiana_Dem]

5. I don't think the questions are bigoted,

they are what a bigoted person might use as arguments. You have to play the devil's advocate sometimes to generate the right responses to attacks like these that he may receive by the media or the public.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. I consider the source when considering the questions

The source has used Nazi, Skull and Bones, PNAC'er and a whole host of things to describe Kerry.

I stand by my conviction that the post is bigoted.

[Indiana_Dem]

18. Okay

I will step away from this one!! lol

[Feanorcurufinwe]

51. Exactly. When you already know someone's agenda,

you can't just pretend you don't and suddenly start taking their ravings at face value.

[KC21304]

53. I know you did not mean your post to be ironic or funny,

but, oh my ! You would need to know the history, as NSMA said.

[seventhson]

6. I figured the subject might be considered taboo

But to claim it is bigoted without stating WHY is not a fair response.

You can say: "Well - it just IS!"

But that is not fair either.

At this point all of the issues of who Kerry is will be fair game for everyone everywhere. Maybe certain issues will be taboo here and maybe not.

But this issue will get aired and in part it will because Kerry has so far NOT been under scrutiny as everyone was bashing Dean (and before him, Gore)

Great NPR article on the failure of Kerry to have really been "vetted" yet on electability because he has been almost under the radar until a few weeks ago when Dean faltered and Edwards failed to produce.

But to ask the question is not bigoted. To ask the question is to see what others here think about it if they have not already.

I believe the issue will be a big one abroad. It might even be significant in the GE.

Or it may not be.

I am just wondering if anyone else here thinks it is an issue that will make any difference.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. see post 10...it's a clean hands issue

[liberalhistorian]

16. I totally agree that it doesn't

and shouldn't matter at all whether Kerry is Jewish; if I were Jewish, I'd be very proud of that fact.

I think what the OP is trying to say, albeit in the wrong way, is that there are, unfortunately, bigoted idiots (can anyone say GOP, boys and girls?) who WILL consider it to be of importance and who WILL, most assuredly, try to subtly exploit and manipulate it, knowing that anti-semitism is still a fairly strong prejudice whether people want to admit it or not.

It's something his campaign needs to be prepared to handle and to hit back hard at the ignorant neanderthal bigoted repukes at every opportunity, and for God's sake, he should NEVER act in the least ashamed of it or try to hide it. That would be the absolute WRONG thing to do!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. I think it's being subtly exploited and manipulated now

And the people who are likely to be bigots in this regard are not likely Democrats, now would they vote for any Democrat...and their language would most likely appeal to other bigots who more likely than not would also NOT vote Democrat.

Lieberman was Jewish and Gore still got more votes than Bush.

Checkmate on this issue.

[liberalhistorian]

33. Okay, I've just seen some of

the OP's other posts, and I see where you're coming from, he has a very strong, irrational bias against Kerry so I'm not going to pay much attention to him anymore. I hadn't realized that before.

[Indiana_Dem]

3. I've wondered the same things so I'll wait with you and see

what others have to say.

[Goldom]

4. its not bigoted

i -am- jewish, and i honestly can't figure out the answer. I didn't think he was, then people started saying so, now im just confused.

[seventhson]

29. Thanks for you candor, Goldom

I am very concerned that Kerry MIGHT take a pro-Likud position in Israel. I know almost nothing about his record here - but his assertion that he might send James Baker as an emissary was very scary and a signal of two things: allegiance to the oil deals and deal-making with Likud possibly.

Having been to Israel I worry for that country as I worry for the Palestinians and all the innocents who are in the crossfire between two (or more) brutal governmental entities.

I have NO clue as to what influence Kerry's heritage might have on the situation.

I know that altho I actually liked Lieberman better than Kerry in many ways the fact that he was Jewish made it seem Less likley that he could be acceptable to the Arabs and Palestinians as a neutral broker of peace.

I do wonder - with respect top those who have identified themselves as Jewish on this board - whether even discussing the issue is going to be unacceptable.
One thing i learned in going to Israel - plenty of Jews have a lot to say on such such subjects and they cleared me of many of my concerns about discussing such issues openly - because they are in my opinion, going to have an impact on both the lection and a Kerry presidency if he wins.

Thanks, though, for saying this. I appreciate it.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. dunno his religion, but he doesn't think bush supports sharon enough

when bush made an ill-advised remark to the effect that he hoped sharon would show restraint when firing US-supplied helicopter gunships into densely populated residential areas during routine assassination operations, Kerry bravely joined most of his colleagues in immediately sending bush a strongly-worded letter of reprimand, upbraiding him for his comments.

[Darranar]

15. That fact really doesn't have much to do with one's Jewishness...

some of the harshest critics of Israel are Jews, and some of the most hawkish Likudniks are among the Christian Right.

[DuctapeFatwa]

49. LOL You know I'm with you on that one.Religion has nothing to do with it

Greed, timeless and non-sectarian, has everything to do with it :)

[Darranar]

52. Yes, I do...

it just seemed a worthwhile place to point that out.

[DuctapeFatwa]

59. it is. and also a worthwhile place to mention gush-shalom.org

for the benefit of those who do not have it in their bookmarks, and a good starting place for any lurkers whose notions of "Jews" are founded on FauxMSNBCCNN's "guest shriekers"

[liberalhistorian]

21. Okay, wait a minute,

now I have a real problem with that, any candidate who supports Sharon and the Likud party I'm going to have a REAL problem with!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. He's actually been very critical of Sharon and that has been a

concern for some Jews and a relief for others.

You might want to actually read up on it before commenting.

[Darranar]

24. I certainly hope he has...

nevertheless, I haven't seen any evidence of such criticism.

If you can provide it, I will be among those Jews relieved.

He has been criticized by some for making the Baker/Carter comment, but that appears to have mostly been a political campaign mess-up and not his real position.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Don't know that I can relieve you with this but here is an article

and snip (BTW I don't believe for a minute Kerry really would put Baker in there):

“In the first days of a Kerry administration, I will appoint a presidential ambassador to the peace process who will report directly to me and the secretary of state — and who will work day-to-day to move the process forward and make an early assessment of how to build on areas of agreement and disagreement,” Kerry said in a statement to JTA.

An official in a pro-Israel group described Kerry’s record on Israel-related votes during his nearly 20 years in the Senate as “outstanding.”

But some pro-Israel activists who have met privately with Kerry worry that, like Clinton, his determined bent to forge peace — even absent a credible Palestinian partner — could lead to clashes with Israel’s government, especially the current government led by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

They say Kerry has privately expressed his distaste for Sharon, and point out that Solomont is a leading figure in the Israel Policy Forum, a group that promotes U.S. engagement in the region and has been sharply critical of the Sharon government.

Among the critics’ concerns is that Kerry would consider as Middle East emissaries personalities unpalatable to the Jewish community, including former Secretary of State James Baker.

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Kerry+appeals+to+Jews%2C+Arabs&intcategoryid=3

[Darranar]

37. Well, it's certainly a different perspective...

not really convincing to me, mainly because its main bit of evidence for his resonance with Arab-Americans - his stance against Israel's wall - in fact is not accurate, since he stated afterwards that he supported it.

But thanks for posting the article. It was a quite interesting viewpoint.

[DuctapeFatwa]

46. Here is another link re:Israel, wall, etc

Senator John Kerry told dozens of Jewish leaders in New York on Sunday that he would continue the Bush administration policy of vetoing any United Nations Security Council resolutions seen as one-sided against Israel, participants in a closed 90-minute meeting said.

At the meeting, attended by the heads of major Jewish groups and Jewish politicians, he also repeated what he said in the televised debate earlier on Sunday: that the barrier Israel is erecting to separate Palestinian territories from Israeli ones is a fence, not a wall.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/politics/campaign/01KERR.html

[DuctapeFatwa]

35. here's a link to the letter & a list of the 12 who didn't sign it

http://bond.senate.gov/isletter.cfm

These didn't sign

Joseph Biden (Democrat-Delaware), [e-mail]


Jeff Bingaman (Democrat-New Mexico), [e-mail]


Robert Byrd (Democrat-West Virginia), [e-mail]


Thad Cochran (Republican-Mississippi), [e-mail]


Judd Gregg (Republican-New Hampshire), [e-mail]


Charles Hagel (Republican-Nebraska), [e-mail]


James Jeffords (Independent-Vermont), [e-mail]


Patrick Leahy (Democrat-Vermont), [e-mail]


Richard Luger (Republican-Indiana), [e-mail]


Frank Murkowski (Republican-Alaska), [e-mail] or http://murkowski.senate.gov/webmail.html


Patty Murray (Democrat-Washington), [e-mail]


Pat Roberts (Rebulican-Kansas), http://www.senate.gov/~roberts/email.htm

from

http://www.junity.org/action/BatShalom.html

[seventhson]

45. NSMA - Good response

I would value your own critique of Kerry's positions on this as we have competing positions or opinions about it on this thread. Is he a hawk on the issues or not. To the right of Bush or not?

I welcome your input on THAT for all of us to learn more.

Links would help ME a lot.

But I DO believe that one's Jewish heritage may color one's thinking (one weay or the other) on Israel and it's policies.

It is a family tradition in my family that we have Jewish ancestry - although I was raised in a very Christian household and the Jewish ancestry was many many generations back (and was more oral tradition and legend than documented genealogy)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

55. I AM Jewish and there is NO MONOLITHIC Jewish mindset

Sharon won by a landslide last election but got into office on a very close vote in his first run. He WAS censored by the Knesset so, it isn't as though the entire state of Israel is Sharon ass-licking PNAC war mongers in spite of some of the more vile posts on DU.

To anyone who has ANY commitment to peace in that region, stereotypes are useless and given your line of questioning in the opening post, I call bullshit on the alleged commitment and concern.

YOu have called Kerry a NAzi and a Jew....to people like me...that matters when considering your sincerity in the matter.

[WillyBrandt]

56. "You have called Kerry a Nazi and a Jew"

That's exactly right, NSMA, seventhson has. Perhaps I overreact, but I can't take a warm and fuzzy view of this.

The original post, especially in context of the author's myriad other posts, is despicable.

[seventhson]

61. THAT is not accurate

and I dare you to prove otherwise.

I NEVER called him a Nazi and I am wondering out loud here if he CAN be called a Jew, Or did you miss that.

Of COURSE, I understand that there is no monolithic mindset.

Because there are many Jews I know who abhor the Bonesmen because several of their members financed Hitler.

The Kerry business is troubling to me at Skull ESPECIALLY if he knew he was Jewish and he STILL joined, But that is a subject for another day.

[Catholic Sensation]

62. I think you meant

"But that's a subject which I will discuss constantly every day for the next ten months"

[Darranar]

65. Actually he won in a landslide both times...

but that really is besides the point; pretty bad US presidents have been elected in landslides before. Most Israelis are kind people and a very large number disagree with Sharon; nevertheless many are afraid to vote for anyone but the "security candidate".

There is indeed no monolithic Jewish mindset, and the very suggestion is idiotic.

[salin]

60. So this means that you must

be a suspect of being a Likkudnic? *using your own logic per this thread*

[seventhson]

70. Not really.

I think the knowledge of the possibility of my Jewish Heritage makes my beliefs about Israel/Palestine more personal/

But Kerry is a man who has proposed a right wing emissary as his peacemaker. NOBODY is hardly as right wing as Baker.

And Baker cut some fierce deals with Israel in the past.

But being PRO-Likkud as some of Kerry's actions have indicated is the issue.

I do not HAVE to be considered a suspect of being a Likkudnic. My policies and opinions are anti-Likud.

But are Kerry's?

His Jewish heritage MAY have an impact on what he does and what the other parties do.

[salin]

82. I am tired

your agenda has moved beyond clarity or analytical thought... wide, unsubstantiated conjecture.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

8. im not sure what he is

...& I really dont care either.

[KerrySupporter]

9. as long as kerry stops the israel slaughter of innocents it doesn't matter

time to stop the rocket attacks against those that are helping the pa feed their hungry.

[snoochie]

20. Read post #7

:shrug:

[KerrySupporter]

28. i do not buy it

kerry will cut all funding to israel or any other land that does terror. kerry will not allow money to be sent to any country that does terror acts to another. israel terror will be cut off by president kerry.

[seventhson]

58. Umm -okay but do you think he will think

Israel is a terrorist country?

You kind of make my point for me.

[Nomad559]

11. From ... Good For The Jews dot com

:evilgrin:

John Kerry Is Hung Like A Horse!

http://goodforthejews.com/kerryshlong.htm

[Wonk]

68. LOL nt

[jmaier]

13. Not controversial ... just silly

[David Zephyr]

14. Seventhson, Why Are You Doing This?

Come on, already.

How can you actually ask things like, "Will it affect things? Israel policies?" and so forth.

Dude, I've stuck up for you here a lot before. This is beneath you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. No it's not

[salin]

67. or perhaps

it is an agenda revealing moment rather than an anomoly.

All of the complaints with S&B come back to funding Nazis... and now in the same breath we have innuendos of support for the most hardliners backing Sharon? Is there no contradiction in this? Real or not... the series of directions these threads come from read more like the arkansas project in trying to find something that sticks or gets traction... rather than serious issues. I have not been a big supporter or detractor of any candidate... but I have been very concerned about folks spewing vitriol that builds ugly dynamics among folks based upon candidate affiliation. In paying attention to those dynamics, I have also become more sensitive towards the tactics used by this poster which have gotten more than frustrating. Take only the thinnest thread... and build a DEEP AREA OF CONCERN. This thread topic was, given the context, specious at best.

[Darranar]

19. What does it matter?

The fact is that Jews don't all believe alike. Some of the harshest critics of Israel and US government policy are Jews, while some of the people carrying out the policies of both nations are also Jews.

I don't think Kerry could be considered a Jew; he lacks the Halakhic requirement (having a Jewish wife) and he has not gone through the conversion process.

[MAlibdem]

23. It is true that Judaism is a tribal religion

That is, you become a member based primarily on birth, not choice.

However, if one does not grow up as Jewish, and don't belong to a temple...they aren't "religiously jewish" they just have "jewish ancestry".

Don't be ridiculous to assume Kerry would be swayed by his jewish heritage...truly, your view that all jewish are sharon lovers or somehow "jewish views" are halthing progress in iraq is ridiculous.

[Darranar]

26. There are converted Jews...

you are correct that it is for the most part based on birth, but there are some who made the choice and converted.

[redsoxliberal]

27. Anti-Semetic of course

If you say Jew that's obviously antisemetic unless you follow with "Israel Rocks and their borders should go from Morocco to Iran!"

Yeesh.

[WillyBrandt]

31. What a ugly, bigoted post. Hatred masquerading as insanity? Or Vice-Versa

So, Kerry is not only part of the secret S&B cult that secretly rules the world, he's also a Jew. Hmm, funny how you claimed that of the first, and now point out the second.

Your post is outright anti-Semitic and offensive. I like how you cast stupid, nasty, aspersions over his ancestry, and his approach to and discovery of it.

And what the fuck is this supposed to mean:

"Now there are articles saying Kerry must appease the Sharon government by sucking up to them and promoting the Bush agenda in Israel - support the wall, assassinations of Palestinian militants, no right of return, tough on terrorists, etc., etc."

Because he's a Jew, now he's either himself a Sharonite or will be forced to be?

The crackpot theorizing was bad enough; you've now, in this post, melded tinfoilhattery with bigotry.

ON EDIT--IT GETS WORSE: I didn't realize the extent of the grossness of your post until I thought more about this line:

"I bagan to ponder this when I saw the recent news reports on Kerry having close relatives who died in the Holocaust. Kerry claimed allegedly for years that he was Irish (or allowed it to appear that way). Then he "discovered" his Jewish ancestry."

So. You first glibly juxtapose aspersions about Kerry's heritage with a statement about his relatives dying in the Holocaust. What more, you enjoy to no end making the claim that S&B is an outfit with essentially corporate responsibility for Hitler, etc., and that this responsbility thereby flows to its members. You've said this recently.

But now you mention "recent news reports on Kerry having close relatives who died in the Holocaust." So which is it? Is he a cultist with derivative responsibility for the Holocaust, or a victim by relation? Or both? Or does it not matter, as long as the post is sufficiently ugly?

[napsi]

38. Geeez,

After that post you must be the most hateful person I've come across at DU. The person was merely posing a question and asking for opinions. I guess you gave yours.......what an ass.

[WillyBrandt]

42. It was anti-Semitic. Sorry, I'm not much for breaking bread

over bigotry.

[Blue_Roses]

63. you obviously haven't read

many of the original poster's threads. He bashes Kerry every chance he gets. It borderlines extreme paranoia.

[WillyBrandt]

64. And I sincerely think it's now mingled with an anti-Semitic trope

Which makes it all the uglier. Anyway, I'm ignoring the original poster. Can't be wasting time.

(Thanks for the backup though! :) )

[Blue_Roses]

72. After awhile it just gets old

I read his posts and think where does he come up with this stuff...

Usually I just pass it on by, but today is different. We are in a serious battle for the WH and we don't need this crap anymore.

I just don't get it...do people really think 4 more years of Bush will be better than Kerry, if so, then they are in some serious denial!

[salin]

71. not to mention that the threads he posts as "questions"

often attempt to link Kerry with Nazy enablers..... thus taking this particular line of questioning which is laden with innuendo... is rather... interesting.

[seventhson]

74. Both, maybe

which is what makes it all the more interesting

and maybe more troubling. But, then again,Maybe not.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Yes it does

appear anti-semitic to ask the question.

[redsoxliberal]

34. But is it??? Of course not!

Mr. Kerry are you Jewish?







Oh shit, now I'm an anti semite.


LOL @ ADL

[seventhson]

36. One of the reasons it concerned me was this:

I know that it is possible for people not to knw their heritage. I know this is true because I have worked in the field of Holocaust history with some of the greatest Jewish scholars on the Holocaust (I have also helped create an exhibit at the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem as well as in Washington - and worked on several documentaries and with several biographers on Holocayust related stories). Many Jewish people had NO idea that their families were Jewish or that they had survived or lost family in the Shoah.

But I did find it difficult to beieve that such high powered individuals as Kerry and Madeleine Albright could NOT know.

I always figured they had kept it hidden either out of fear of anti-Semitism or out of some inner denial of their "Jewishness: - which to me smacked somewhat of anti-Semitism in itself. I don't know. Did they know and hide it or were they ashamed of it.

I honestly do not know. But it made me WANT to know more about it and how it might impact the future.

But being afraid to discuss it is not really an option when it is a factor of sorts and I am not alone in thinking this.

If Kerry backs Likud I will be as pissed about that as I am at Bush on the subject.

But Kerry tends to walk the fence and straddle the line.

On Israel he has been kind of a cipher it seems (or I just missed hwatever he said except that Baker thing)

Does anybody know where he stands?

[David Zephyr]

47. Why?

You write, "But I did find it difficult to believe that such high powered individuals as Kerry and Madeleine Albright could NOT know."

Why is this of any concern to you whatsoever?

You are implying that they DID know and chose to hide it which is very, very ugly in my opinion because it suggests that they have a secret "Jewish" agenda and that's just beyond the pale.

You should have the grace to ask the administrators to lock this thread.

[WillyBrandt]

48. Oh God - Anti-Semitism pure

What the fuck?

"But I did find it difficult to beieve that such high powered individuals as Kerry and Madeleine Albright could NOT know.

"I always figured they had kept it hidden either out of fear of anti-Semitism or out of some inner denial of their "Jewishness: - which to me smacked somewhat of anti-Semitism in itself. I don't know. Did they know and hide it or were they ashamed of it."

Ugh...

"If Kerry backs Likud I will be as pissed about that as I am at Bush on the subject."

Ugh... Kerry's going to back Likud because he has Jewish ancesry?

This is hateful, stupid bigotry. I'm sorry. I'm calling it out as anti-Semitism pure, in its traditional regalia of conspiratorial thinking and snide, wicked assertion. Disgusting.

[seventhson]

83. I said "IF he backs Likud" -- can you enlighten us on the facts?

I mean - Jeez - I said I do not KNOW if he will back Likud but I have my fears and YES I do happen to believe that his ancestry MIGHT play a role in his thinking on Israel. But it MIGHT make him a better advocate for peace as well as he may be able to avoid the anti_Senitism label if he deals tough with Sharon and Likud.

It cuts both ways potentially.

I am NOT prejudging Kerry on this issue. But I am judginf somewhat by some of what I have read here toniht about his support for the wall/fence and (it seems) harsher retaliation against Palestinians in actions which kill civilians

[Catholic Sensation]

50. If Kerry cures cancer you'll be pissed

because he targetted innocent malignant cells.

[KoKo]

54. It's legitimate if the Bushies find some way to use it. Hopefully there

is nothing there that showed Kerry tried to cut himself off from part of his heritage, because if there is, the Repugs will have used their resources (which we know are extremely powerful) to dig it out. While I think Seventh's post could be seen by some who are sensitive, as "offputting," we've all talked about knowing our candidates or candidate well, because we need to know what's out there to counter whatever the Repugs throw at us.

Remember the Fonda/Kerry photographs "photoshopped" which were going around the Net. They got zapped pretty quickly. If there's anything out there we need to be aware or thinking about what it could be before "They" get hold of it.

Since, I've always enjoyed geneaology and come from a family which has kept lots of records, I can go way back and know the folks that maybe were what my Grandmother called "horse thieves" in the family along with the saints. It does seem odd that Kerry only recently discovered his heritage....why? It's not like he had to go back a couple of centuries.

Does it matter that he has a Jewish/Muslim/French/Scandinavian....whatever heritage? It only matters if the Repugs find something to make it matter and spin it out of control. I assume there's nothing there, but it's worth asking the question, I think. As long as it doesn't get off into some kind of bigotted debate or flame fest here. JMHO...:shrug:

(and, I would say this about all the candidates...just so folks don't say: "well we know you were Dean/Kucinich." I've always been up front with who I supported, but will vote for him in November.)

[salin]

75. no offense

but are you eighty? to keep up with all of the areas of which you have worked... all of the places from which you claim lineage... all from your own posts... it is hard to keep track or take seriously. For most of us it would take three lifetimes. Law, business, holocaust history, family members who are bonesmen, family members who were in the European underground/resistance, family members who were in the US intel service... wow! Still cant reconcile kerry the bonesman who is a nazi enabler by affiliation with kerry the likkudnik (all from the implications of your own posts.)

[Catholic Sensation]

77. don't forget he's weak for suffering from one of the most common cancers

:eyes:

[Catholic Sensation]

39. He's Roman Catholic with Jewish heritage

Like quite a few Roman Catholics (my mom's family was Jewish till the late 19th century, then converted to Roman Catholicism).

You post this shit not because you're worried about what our critics internationally will think of his religion, but because you have this totally irrational hatred for someone who's never done a damn thing to you.

You posted shit about John Kerry's cancer being a weakness for him, about 1000 threads dealing with Skull and Bones, and now the fact he's got Jewish heritage is a potential weakness? You're really too much sometimes.

[seventhson]

80. I do not believe I ever discussed ...

his cancer.

link?

[corporatewhore]

40. He is supporting bush's roadmapand thinks the wall is a fence

tells me all i need to know

[ShaneGR]

41. Is John Kerry African American?

I'm sure it's possible if you research the bloodline back a thousand years there has to be some mixture somewhere in there.

BTW, John Kerry isn't Jewish. He had some ancestors who were, but he's not. And no, Jewish isn't a race, it's a religion.

[foo_bar]

43. the fact that he's Catholic

is far more important in the scheme of American electoral politics. The significance of Jewish relatives is a bit diminished since the Third Reich, but not to hamhanded (forgive the expression) LaRoucheiacs.

[Renew Deal]

44. This post is going to be a little controversial

That should be your signature.

[BootinUp]

66. Or maybe better as his nick?

cause the warning needs to be upfront!

[WillyBrandt]

69. Is controversial the right word?

[Blue_Roses]

57. I get the feeling

Kerry would do just fine in handling Israel and any other foreign policy thrown at him.

[KoKo]

76. Actually it might well work to his advantage......it could be a plus if he

plays his heritage. Of course I would hope for him to take a hard line on Sharon/Likud, and often those who have some connection to an issue are listened to and better at getting folks together than those who don't.

But, then again, Carter did pretty well and he wasn't a teeny part Jewish....that we know about anyway. So who knows. :shrug:

[Octafish]

73. John Kerry isn't the ENEMY, seventhson. The BFEE is.

The First Front-Stooges, Smirk and Pickles.

[seventhson]

78. I hope you are right - and we will see

but I am not overly confident about it.

I grew up when we were protesting LBJ for a "Democratic" war (instigated by Bonesmen like McGerge Bundy et al) which was fascistic in my opinion.

[salin]

79. but... didn't you hear... Kerry is bfee bonesman nazi enabler... AND

a likudnic...

[Catholic Sensation]

81. you keep forgetting the most horrific charge made by seventhson

cancer survivor!