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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:16 PM
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I got this email today about John Kerry. Outrageous.
Sorry if someone has already posted this.

CJ

John Kerry has been running on his war record in a vastly more blatant
>way than previous candidates have done (George Bush the Elder, for
>example, or Bob Dole), he has opened the door for those who are qualified
>to express their views on his Vietnam record – both while he was there and
>after he returned. One man with exceptional qualifications in that regard
>is retired Army Col. Glenn Lackey, who also knows something about life in
>the verbal combat zone known as Capitol Hill, where he served a stint as
>Chief of Staff for a Member of Congress. Before that Lackey not only
>spent combat time in Vietnam, but also in Somalia and the Gulf War.
>Recently, Lackey decided to express his thoughts on Kerry's public record,
>and being a very direct kind of guy, did it directly, by writing the
>following letter to Kerry, which I thought might interest readers of this
>space: Dear Mr. Kerry; After spending only four months in the country of
>Vietnam, you testified before Congress in 1971 with these exact words
>about incidents you say you witnessed: "They personally raped, cut off
>ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
>genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly
>shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
>food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Viet Nam."
>Spread that on a farmer's field where it will do some good. I spent a year
>there in 1968-69 in a combat arms unit. I was a Field Artillery Forward
>Observer in an Infantry company and I saw combat every day until I was
>wounded. When I returned from the hospital, I was assigned to an artillery
>battery. I saw brave men fight and die; I saw brave, good men pass out all
>their rations to hungry kids, build churches and schools, donate to
>orphanages, cry silently at the sight of villagers slaughtered by North
>Vietnamese, but I never saw anything approaching the war crimes that you
>happened to witness as your boat sped by villages on the river bank. If
>you witnessed atrocities and did not report them, you are guilty of aiding
>and abetting. If you lied, you are simply unfit for leadership at any
>level. The most serious incident I witnessed was a young sergeant who
>grabbed the arm of a Vietnamese woman during a village search. An older,
>more experienced noncommissioned officer knocked the sergeant to the
>ground and told him, somewhat forcefully, that that woman was someone's
>mother and would be treated with respect. That's it, Kerry, that's my
>confession - I didn't report the incident. I have children, and my
>children have children. They will, perhaps, stumble upon your words, much
>as one might stumble upon a pile of dog droppings. I do not relish the
>thought of having to explain that your "experiences" are either a
>bald-faced lie, or you belong to that less-than-1% of Viet Nam veterans
>who committed war crimes/atrocities. Either way, your words do great harm
>to the institution of the Senate, my home state of Massachusetts, the
>Armed Services in which I proudly served for 27 years, and the very
>country that you aspire to lead. Is it true that you single-handedly
>prevented a vote on a Senate version of H.R. 2833, the Viet Nam Human
>Rights Act of 2001 - a bill that passed the House by a vote of 410-1?
>There are many who believe that our failure to speak decisively on that
>issue cost the lives of thousands of Montagnard tribesman in Viet Nam.
>Where do you stand on H.R. 1587, the Viet Nam Human Rights Act of 2003?
>Will you support a parallel bill in the Senate? Is it true that you served
>as Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on MIA/POW Affairs and in that
>role you fought hard to limit the expenditure of funds to investigate
>sightings or search for remains? You have, I believe, been a steadfast,
>staunch and vocal advocate for normalizing relations with Viet Nam. Could
>it be that your beloved first cousin, Mr. Forbes, CEO of Colliers
>International, recently signed a contract with Hanoi worth billions of
>dollars? Any truth to the rumor that you didn't really fling your
>"hard-earned" military medals over the White House fence in a juvenile fit
>of pique as you say you did, but rather, you threw your roommate's medals
>instead? I know dozens of retired military professionals. None of them
>support you - there is a reason for that. They all served honorably and
>well, and they all believe that you did not. I know war heroes, and your,
>sir, are no war hero. -- Glenn Lackey
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:21 PM
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1. I received this too, a week or so ago.
For one thing, "HR 2833 - The Vietnam Human Rights Act", as far as I can tell, does not exist. I did a search in the congressional record around that year and nothing came up.

Regarding the search for POW/MIA, Kerry and McCain spearheaded an effort to try and show once and for all whether there were still any Americans in captivity. Both were convinced the Vietnamese had accounted for the missing as best they could, so why isn't this writer slamming McCain too?

Just plain ridiculous - the Repukes know they're in trouble, so they will stop at nothing to personally attack Kerry. (While accusing those of us who criticize Bush*'s policies as attacking him.)
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:36 PM
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2. This is a column lifted from a Right Wing website
called townhall.com. Here's the link:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jaybryant/jb20040303.shtml

I'm not sure, but you may want to edit your quote so that DU doesn't have any fair usage problems. I think two paragraphs is pretty standard.

As for the content, it looks like GOP written attack spew to me.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:41 PM
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3. Snopes has debugged this already
Good work repeating GOP propoganda without any criticism or rebuttal from you. Way to fight the good fight!
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:28 PM
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8. I have no idea what you were thinking
I merely commented about the effect your posting it has. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Think about the consequences.
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ChiefJoseph Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:39 PM
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9. Look at the subject line.
"I got this email today about John Kerry. Outrageous."

What part of "outrageous" don't you understand?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:40 PM
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10. The part
where you have so little comment, and the part where you did so little to debunk it.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:42 PM
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4. That's an old one - try emailing Glenn Lackey
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:44 PM
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5. .
Badly edited piece, no surprise when it comes from these guys.

And what's about this "he only served 4 months" ?
I think he served on a ship before these 4 months though I don't know where that ship was.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:26 PM
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7. Wespac
I forget the exact details, Australia, PI, SKorea maybe; and Vietnam. His service was from 1966-1970. He re-enlisted (or whatever officers do) in 1968, in the thick of it. His record has been so distorted. That, to me, is what is most disgusting. Distorting the records of McCain, Cleland and now Kerry. It shows how low these people will go.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:29 PM
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11. could someone refer me..
to the snopes link where this has been debugged? A friend of mine is in big trouble at a conservative site because he posted that the letter was on snopes,and now the conservatives are after him in full force! I've been all over the net and I can't find a site that debunks the letter. Thanks in advance!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:43 PM
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12. Debunked...
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:52 AM
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13. No, this is a fresh load of GOP cr*p. Snopes hasn't debunked it yet.
The folks here at DU always try to help, but this letter has been confused with some other previous GOP bullshit.

Glenn Lackey is a real person; a retired Army Colonel who is currently working for Flanagan Consulting, a DC firm run by former Republican congressman Michael Flanagan.

I'm not Snopes, but let me try to help:

The entire thrust of this accusatory letter is that John Kerry lied about witnessing "atrocities" in his 1971 testimony. This is not true. He didn't testify that way. The premise of the letter is false.

Kerry did testify and used words very close to those quoted in the "letter". As usual with GOP bullshit, there are some fairly important contextual differences between the "quotes" from Col. Lackey and reality. Here is an extract from the actual testimony:
"...I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country..."
As you can see, this is quite a bit different than claiming that he "personally" witnessed these things, as claimed in the "letter".

More GOP bullshit. Another 20 minutes spent refuting lies. When am I gonna start getting paid for this? (Rhetorical question).

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:06 AM
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14. Well done.
Way to expose the trademark distortion and out-of-context quoting these right-wing trash e-mails use.
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 01:53 PM
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15. Thanks!
I agree...that answer was worth some cash! Uhhh...checks in the mail??
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:13 PM
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16. You can listen to testimony on Democracy Now's Web site
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