What do we do when Bush steals the GE?

[Goldom]

Come on, we all know he will. Unless we win by 20+%, the bias of the EC and Diebold/BBV *will* make it look like a tie, which Bush will once again claim as a win. Nothing is going to happen in time to stop it.

It's going to happen. What are we gonna do?

[DK666]

1. Revolt....

EOM

[napi21]

10. I assume you are being sarcastic!

I don't believe he CAN WIN! I know way too many people who have told me they voted for him in 2000 but will not again!

There are several reasons that make that difference.

1. Most people who voted for Nader now realize they made a BIG mistake.
2. There were a lot of people who voted for a change after 8 years of a Dem. President, not to mention they were very upset with Clinton. That problem isn't there this time.
3. Lots of Dems, Inds. and Pubs are very disturbed by Bush. More people will vote this time than last.

The rest of the reasons are directly tied to the dumb things Bush & Co. are doing every day to upset yet another group of people.

I think the only real supporters he still has are his extreme right wing base, and they sure aren't a majority of the country.

[arcane1]

11. amen, brother

stealing elections doesn't go over well with me, and if they steal this one, America as we know it is over

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[gulfcoastliberal]

3. I Believe..

The constitution clearly calls for armed insurrection in case of tyranny.

[DK666]

4. Time to Dust off

The old 04 springfield.

[Melodybe]

7. Start writing to Kerry now so that he will demand paper ballots

not the butterfly BS that happened in 2000, but a sheet of paper with a list of the candidates and a sharpie marker. Stop their cheating before it happens, if the repubs argue they expose themselves for the cheating assholes they really are.

[Dookus]

17. I don't believe it does

but common sense does.

[mountainvue]

5. Riot.

I don't think the American people are going to let this bastard get away with it again.

[angryinoville]

8. There will be no alternative but to riot

[genius]

24. This might bring people out of t heir homes

But the Bush administration will start shooting. It's a dangerous idea.

[smirkymonkey]

48. It will be like another Kent State

except this time it will be the whole country. Martial Law isn't that far away!

However, for now, I can't even imagine that idiot boy will win because I need to have some hope. If, by some chance, he does, life as we know it will be over.

[Gildor Inglorion]

6. Tumbrils, scythes, axes, guillotines....

Oh, please, oh, please let it happen! What was it Jefferson said about revolutions being renewed in blood every 20 years? It's WAY overdue!!

[progressiverealist]

12. sure... apaches, A-10s, tactical nukes... your axe will really help

[DoNotRefill]

22. Well....if the anti-gun fuckers will let us keep our assault weapons....

when the Revolution comes we'd have a lot more than axes to work with....

I hope there's no need for a Revolution. If there is, I want access to the best weapons I can afford.

The Second Amendment ain't about Duck Hunting.

[Padraig18]

32. No shit!

The gun-grabbers need to think about things like this.

[DoNotRefill]

35. Not only that....

but I want large caliber guns, like a .50 BMG rifle, that's capable of penetrating light armor.

Ever notice how they try and ban the stuff that would be effective against the Government? .50 BMGs are NEVER used in crime, because they're HUGE, and impossible to conceal. The ONLY reason they're trying to ban them is because they can defeat the kind of armor commonly used in armored limos. If the proles revolt, they want to be safe.

Power flows from the barrel of a gun. THAT's the reason the Second Amendment is there...because the founding fathers had just been through a revolution against a government that had tried to seize their guns. "Power to the People" is more than just a spiffy slogan...

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. What makes you think the military would take Bush's side?

Remember, he's treated them even shittier than he has the rest of us. Active duty and veterans alike. Not to mention those in the Guard and Reserves who got a Hell of a lot more than they ever signed on for. I'm not convinced they would fall in line behind Junior if he was obviously not elected. Hell, they probably would have revolted the last time if they had any idea what these fucking sons of bitches had planned.

And yes, it WAS all planned in advance. ALL of it, including the "new PERLEHarbor" needed to kick things off.

[arcane1]

14. this one?

"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787.

[youngred]

25. actually he advocated for a revolution every 20 years

instead we have seen a series of major party realignments every 30 to 50 years.unfortunately we're about 25 years overdue for another one and the stagnation in the American political system is showing that

1787 Nov. 13. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." (to W. S. Smith, B.12.356)

The Tree of Liberty Letter
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm

[progressiverealist]

9. George W. Bush... president for life

welcome to Amerika... Dubya forever!


...or so he would like

[For PaisAn]

13. Same as last time

some of us will protest but most will just "get over it".. I'd like to think it would be different if it happened a second time but not expecting much. Hope I'm wrong.

[robertpaulsen]

15. A.L.F.

American Liberation Front.

[Demobrat]

16. Nothing will happen.

Anybody who complains will be labeled a nutcase and ignored, just like last time.

[LiberalPersona]

18. Protest as much as possible

and hope I'm drafted and die in action so I don't have to live through the complete devastation of the USA that Bush will drive it to.

[chefgirl]

19. Unfortunately, I believe you're right

There has never been a doubt in my mind that they WILL try it again. Their only problem is that they have to make it look different this time. Take people completely off guard just like they did in 2000.
And my point is this:

If these voting machines do exactly what we're all afraid they're going to, how will we ever know?? How many are really going to be willing to question the impartiality of a bunch of computers?? And those who do, will only be ammunition for the republicans. I can just hear it now.....
"Will you just listen to those crazy leftists! They really are sore losers. First they said the election in 2000 was rigged in some way, so we spent a gajillion dollars 'improving' the process with these nifty new touch screen machines, and now they're trying to accuse a bunch of computers of having a right wing bias"

Oh you just KNOW Novak, and all the rest of them, will be shouting it from the rooftops.

I believe America, as we knew it, was dissolved on Dec 12,2000. I really have NO hope for this election.
It is my GREATEST wish that I be proven wrong.

-chef-

20. is that going to be the excuse?

:)

that is, looking for excuses already?

[DoNotRefill]

21. Blame Dean....

eom

[Citizen Kang]

30. Blame Nader...

and watch the party move further to the Right.

[JackRiddler]

44. you guys beat me to it!

I specifically clicked into this thread to write, "Blame Dean and Nader."

It's turning into a huge joke with the contradiction of a candidate who won't call anyone out on the "conspiracy" issue of voter fraud, but whom so many people here (at a board that started because of a stolen election) simply expect to win because he's magically electable.

What the hell are we supposed to do besides keep informing people now and hope they realize the fraud? When the time comes, the fraud will either work, and everyone accepts it, as before, or it will be exposed - and that will lead to revolution or massacre. Or some mammoth capitulation where everyone knows it but no one ever gives a shit again.

A harrowing set of possibilities.

Of the tactics mentioned here, I think the one that will work best is tax withdrawal - why not banks, too? And stop buying all that junk Christmas season! This is the fastest way that a determined populace could shut down the U.S. economy and build pressure for real change.

But the result there may also be to make capital and the Right decide to punish the people.

[genius]

23. Most people will stay home unless they have no choice but to take action

Your question is my question but how do we motivate those people who stay home to get up and do something?

[Festivito]

26. Quickly become anti gun-control. nt.

[DoNotRefill]

34. Then it's too late...

eom

[Festivito]

36. Never too late for Justice. nt.

[DoNotRefill]

42. If they're already outlawed...

what're you going to do, deliver justice with a paperclip? Why not just weild an assaultmoose? After all, moosebites are very nasty...

[Mick Knox]

27. blame nader and florida voting machines... *sigh* nt .....

[JVS]

28. Have a beer.

[molly]

29. Steal it back

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. March on D.C. peacefully

Just flood the capital city with millions of people.

Pour money into our defense before the SCOTUS if it actually comes to the same situation as before.

[dpgn61]

38. UN monitors

Without a paper trail there is little hope for a recount of a hacked election. It seems like such simple solution to the problem, but people have been fighting it tooth and nail. Which only makes one more suspect of the motive behind such objection. To me it seems obvious, if you can't win an election, steal it (again).

Some have suggested requesting UN monitors like they do in 3rd world countries. Wouldn't that go up someone's butt sideways.

Demand a recall! in the streets if necessary

[earthsea wizard]

39. I Believe I'll Go Cry In My Teacup

and then get over it.

On edit -

The above is my kneejerk reaction to this question. Sorry I avoided a serious question.

If the election gets stolen AGAIN, I will have two choices.

1) Leave this country behind, take my children somewhere safe.

2) Take to the streets in an effort to save this country for my children and future generations.

I'm buying weapons and rations in advance.

[G_j]

40. tax revolt

cut the purse strings.

[slinkerwink]

41. I'll go to Canada with my girl and get legally married there

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

43. find a new hobby?

If you really think the election (and all future elections) will be stolen you should find something else to interest you, becuase political involvement would be irrelevant.

Or you could turn into some sort of guerrilla or something and take "direct action".

[KenLayedOff]

45. I'm dialing 911

That's what we are supposed to do right?

[RichM]

46. Democrats will lie down on their backs &accept it with barely a whimper.

It's in their blood. That's what Democrats do. A few will say, "Hey, that really wasn't fair!" But they will be shouted down by many more who say, "Get over it. Time to move on. Let's stop crying in our teacups."

[MAlibdem]

47. I don't except your premise

But if I did, I would say the only response to the overthrow of democracy is resistance.