A Black or a Woman won't do it as a VP (please read first)...

[AmyStrange]

I would vote for either in less than a heart beat, but I wonder if it's feasible. Are hardcore Dems or mod repubs and swing voters ready to vote for that? Didn't Dukakis have a Woman VP? This thread is not meant to offend, but rather to explore the possibility of a Black or a Woman as VP. I really want to see both before I die or better yet both as President.

That would be sweet,


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[Dookus]

1. Dukakis ran with Lloyd Bentsen

Walter Mondale ran with Geraldine Ferraro.

Didn't your "sources" tell you ONLY John Edwards would be a viable VP candidate?

[AmyStrange]

3. Thanx Dookus...

I wasn't involved in politics back then. I thought voting was for laughs. You should see some of the write ins I did.

Sources aren't static. They shift with the political winds. You know that? Come on Dookus, I alwaysn expected you to know that much about politics?

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[Dookus]

4. And I always expected you

to know who ran for Vice President only 16 years ago.

[AmyStrange]

12. I've only been involved in politics...

the last two years, but I think I understand philosophical psychology equal to anyone here. Very heavily influenced by religion.

As much as people here in the U.S. try to distance politics from religion, it won't happen anytime in the near future. Religion helped push the GOP agenda in 1994 and now the religion of terrorism is pushing a lot of the GOPs agenda. I'm sure you will agree.

By the way, what do you think of the possibility of a black or woman helping the dems as VP this GE?

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[Dookus]

23. Well I'm confused now

because in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=399825

You asserted you've correctly picked the winner of every election since 1976, and asserted it in a way that indicated we'd be foolish to ignore your "sense".

Now I find out that you don't even know who was on the ticket in '84 and '88.

So you'll excuse me if I don't give your predictions and political opinions much credence. A little knowledge of history goes a long way.

[AmyStrange]

24. and your reply then was...

that it didn't take much sense to pick those winners...

and I agreed.

You never gave me much credence and I never thought much of what you thought or believed either.

What is your point anyway? That you have more credence than me? If you really had more creedence than me, you wouldn't be caught dead in my senseless threads...

((((HUGz))))

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[Leilani]

2. Mondale chose a woman

Geraldine Ferraro

[AmyStrange]

7. thanx

[Kathleen04]

8. Mondale was running...

up against Reagan during his 2nd term and Reagan was very popular...I don't think that picking a woman VP-candidate was really a factor in his defeat.

Any thoughts on that?

[AmyStrange]

18. I actually thought it made sense...

as much as I wasn't into politics. Bring in the woman vote made sense to me in my drug and alcohol haze of a life at the time, and it still makes sense to me now. Looking back on that, Reagan was like Bill Clinton in his lock on his re-election. I think she helped more than she hurt, and Mondale picking her was a bold move,

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[SoonerShankle]

5. Kerry won't take risks

I'd be very surprised if Kerry took any major risks. He's not at the top of the political courage scale, but he's no fool either. Democrats are uniting behind him because we hate Bush so much. He'll not squander that unified front to take a risk of that magnitute. I just hope that someday, in my lifetime, it won't be considered risky to select a woman or a person of color (or both). I can only hope....:kick:

[AmyStrange]

totally agreed...

but there were a lot of polls saying Hillary could win if she ran for Prez and if she picked Bill as her VP... I think that would be a winner,

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[jmusgrat]

14. we would win, but

We would easily win if that were the case. Only one problem, Bill has already done his 8 years. He can't be a VP, because of that. Unless someone wants to try and repeal the 22nd (i think that's it anyways) Amndment, Bill can't do it or else I'd still be voting for Bill.

[AmyStrange]

17. I thought he couldn't run for President...

but could run for VP?

Well if that won't work. She could be elected, put Bill in as Secretary of State and shoot herself and the VP in a double suicide and Bill would be president by default or something really strange like that... I don't know anymore. I need sleep,

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[JI7]

6. well, it depends on who specifically

i think if harold ford was old enough he would be seen as a good choice. most of the other elected offcials who are black would probably not be chosen because they are seen as too liberal, it's the same reason people like jim mcdermott will not be chosen more than race. as for women, i think mary landrieu would be the best choice because she is from the south. her voting record isn't all that great, but i think she is much more liberal than she votes since she is from louisiana she isn't so open about it. but i have seen mary landrieu tell off the right wing and she does a good job. another thing she is good at is framing the debate on her terms. that woman who ran against her tried to use trent lott to get support by saying she votes like him more than landrieu, and while it might help with conservative voters, landrieu responded by saying something about how trent lott represents mississippi and how louisiana needs to get someone who will represent lousiana and she brought up how there was some conflict between the two states where trent lott ended up doing something to benefit his state but not la.

[AmyStrange]

13. Mary Landrieu...

do you think she'd be able to do it this year though?

By the way, Jim McDermott is my rep and yeah he wouldn't be able to win outside of his district, but he has guts. He went to Iraq before the war, voted against the war, and was one of the first to call Dubya distrustful...

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[JI7]

19. if asked, i'm pretty sure she would accept

another thing is that louisiana now has a democratic governor who can replace landrieu with another democratic senator. hopefully a minority. there has been a lot of talk about john breaux, but i think mary landrieu would be much better. some people claimed she got elected mostly based on looks, but i have seen her and she totally kicked ass in the debates. and on the senate floor some right wing losers tried to shut her up and she told them off. i was hoping the democrats would have held the election in louisiana because it might help us appeal to the south but also because of louisiana's history of populism.

[murielm99]

9. Doesn't anyone remember Jesse Jackson?

He nearly got the VP nod, but we are too cowardly. He did give the keynote address, though.

[AmyStrange]

20. I love Jesse...

I don't always agree with him, but he always speaks his mind and that I can appreciate and if I remember correctly, he hung out with and strategized with Martin Luthor King in the 60s. He's got serious street creds,

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(edited - was "I love Jesses")

[OneBlueSky]

10. if there were a Barbara Jordan around today . . .

I'd say go for it . . . I just don't see anyone of her caliber on the horizon right now, though . . .

[AmyStrange]

16. Any specifics on Barbara Jordan? (n/t)

[OneBlueSky]

21. here ya go . . .

http://www.elf.net/bjordan/

(read her keynote address to the 1976 Democratic Convention) . . .

and here . . .

http://www.beejae.com/bjordan.htm

[AmyStrange]

26. she sounds like an honest woman...

thanx for the info,

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Couldn't a strong southern black candidate

throw a monkey wrench in the Republican southern strategy?

[AmyStrange]

15. Do you have anyone specifically...

in mind? I also think a strong southern black candidate could bring out more of the black vote, but would it be enough? And who specifically do you think could be a that candidate?

I'm not as familiar with the southern black political scene as I wish I could be,

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[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. I don't really know

there's John Lewis maybe... I'm sure there are a lot of good choices I don't know of... would it be enough? I don't know, but perhaps better than a white southern veep for bringing voters to the polls.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think the negatives from the racist vote would be outweighed by the positives from those who would be energized by the idea.

[AmyStrange]

25. true...

this idea started when I was listening to Tavis Smiley (NPR) interview Kerry and he asked Kerry if he would considere a VP of color and Kerry said everyone would be given equal consideration.

Kerry's not going to pick a person of color as VP. That was the impression I got anyway,

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[zoeyfong]

27. Given the 'safe' mode dems are in now, it's not going to happen.

[lojasmo]

28. Not that its immaterial

but there won't be a woman or a black chosen to be VP this year anyway. No way, no how. Bank on it. Please flame me later if I'm wrong.