Check out this Lieberman email re: Clark

[bicentennial_baby]

Saw this over at the Clark Community Network:

"FYI

JOE 2004

For Immediate Release
Contact: Jano Cabrera
703-894-2032
Tuesday, December 30, 2003

Wesley Clark's Complete Résumé
ARLINGTON, VA -- In today's Washington Post, a strategist for the Wesley Clark for President campaign did not dispute that Clark is primarily "running on his résumé." The paper noted that Clark's ads "are almost entirely devoid of specifics... do not discuss taxes, health care, the environment or other staples of his rivals' commercials." In response, the more substantive Joe Lieberman for President campaign responded today with:
"Wes Clark is entitled to run his campaign as he sees fit," said Jano Cabrera, a Lieberman spokesman. "But if Clark or his strategists believe that his bio is the key to winning over voters, they are mistaken. The more Democratic voters learn about Clark, the less likely they will be to support his candidacy. Democratic activists aren't exactly crying out for a nominee whose political résumé includes fundraising for George W. Bush, publicly praising a key Bush economic advisor, registering as a lobbyist before registering as a Democrat and voting more often for Republican candidates than Democratic ones."
Clark Running On His Résumé
Clark's ads are almost entirely devoid of specifics, using images and swelling music to dramatize his military background and depict him as an inspiring leader. They do not discuss taxes, health care, the environment or other staples of his rivals' commercials... Clark strategist... did not dispute that Clark is running on his résumé. He said the ads avoid policy specifics because most voters are not following them.
As a resource for voters in New Hampshire and beyond, the Lieberman campaign today released a more complete and accurate résumé for Wesley Clark
Wesley K. Clark
P.O. Box 2959
Little Rock, Arkansas 72203
[phone]


OBJECTIVE
To become President of the United States, commander in chief, and leader of the free world.

EXPERIENCE
1997 - 1999 North Atlantic Treaty Organization
Supreme Allied Commander

January 2002 First Registers as a Lobbyist

September 2003 "Registers" as a Democrat

October 2003 Actually Registers as a Democrat


POLITICAL ACTIVITY - 1972 to 1992, Always Voted Republican

November 7, 1972 Voted for Republican Richard M. Nixon for President

November 2, 1976 Voted for Republican Gerald Ford for President

November 4, 1980 Voted for Republican Ronald Reagan for President

November 6, 1984 Voted for Republican Ronald Reagan for President

November 1, 1988 Voted for Republican George H. W. Bush for President


May 11, 2001 Keynoted Republican fundraiser,
· Praised George W. Bush
· Praised a key Bush economic advisor

January 22, 2002 Addresses Harding University (Searcy, Arkansas)
· Again praised George W. Bush

Hannah C. Wood
Joe Lieberman for President
National Fundraiser
[phone] Office
[phone] Fax

Mailing address:
Joe Lieberman for President
c/o Hannah Wood
P.O. Box 967
Arlington, VA 22216"

http://colorado-tom.forclark.com/story/2003/12/30/201356/34

Talk about eating our own...Lieberman makes it hard to ABB sometimes...sigh

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[cprise]

47. Doesn't mention Acxiom and Clark's vested interest in PATRIOT Act

But then Lieberman is also a lover of pervasive profiling and surveilance by the government.

At least Lieberman wasn't hastily yanked into the Democratic debates as a non-Democrat and unprepared, as a desperate attempt by the party brass to split Dean's surging anti-war support.

I'll pass on both Lieberman and Clark.

[mikehiggins]

53. Fine and dandy

Clark's people choose what to put into their ads so if the content doesn't please you I guess there's nothing we can do about it here on DU.

Maybe you could pass your ideas on to Joe2004.com

They might be interested in your suggestions as to just how to attack Clark. I'm sure they can use all the help they can get.

But, at any rate, don't let that keep you from having a nice day.

[jmaier]

2. Joe surely

hasn't taken a shine to Wes Clark but he's running fast to stay in place so his attacks are to be anticipated against both Dean and Clark. Will he be hammering Kerry next as well?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. This Mailing Actually Makes Me Laugh

It's just so amateurish and petty-sounding. I'm not going to get all worked up over it. :-)

DTH

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Oh I know

It's kinda sad actually, but I won't shed any tears for Senator Lieberman

[DoveTurnedHawk]

6. Oh, Me Neither

I think he's scum, but he's on the way out anyway. For someone like Joe, that will be the hardest knock -- and our sweetest revenge -- of all.

DTH

[dfong63]

34. laugh all you want, but the substance of Joe's memo is factually correct

[mikehiggins]

43. And this matters because?

If you don't like Clark, don't vote for him.

How simple can it be?

If the voters don't accept his message, he won't win.

How simple can that be?

Is he lying in his ads?

Wasn't that Clinton hanging that medal on his chest?

Isn't the music inspiring?

What's to complain?

[cprise]

51. Pay attention to the message, not the substance?

Is this MSNBC? Please!

Are we supposed to look at the medal on his chest, listen, and take orders or something?

[mikehiggins]

55. No, no, no, you misunderstand ;^)

These are Clark's ads.

If you like them, fine.

If you don't like them, fine.

It's up to you.

It's a free country, after all.

You are free to look at the medal or turn off the TV or maybe change channels and see if that Dukes of Hazzard Reunion movie is on again.

It's all the same to us.

The voters will decide who is right or wrong, not the folks on DU. Clark is running for President of the United States, not President of D.U.

Have a nice day.

[cprise]

67. No, no, no, it's clear

But issues like WMD lies and re-regulation would not be on the political radar if DUers had not poured into Dean's Meetup system early on.

Nor would the DLC have pulled a non-Democrat corporate lobbyist into the Democratic debates unprepared in order to split a certain candidate's anti-war support. (Can't lose all that corporate privilege over all that Iraq consternation.)

We are influential.


OTOH, NAFTA and Welfare Reform got Wes to punch a ballot for neo-liberals, and he went right back to the Republicans as soon as Bush was installed as president. It helps one sell private databases on us citizens for Poindexter to make merry with.

[dfong63]

106. the truth needs no justification

And this matters because? If you don't like Clark, don't vote for him.

it matters because these are valid reasons for lots of people - not just me - not to vote for Clark. and i intend to do my part to make sure these facts are known anyone to whom they might make a difference.

you bet your ass i'm not voting for Clark. and i'm also spreading the message. don't like it? then apply your own advice, and don't read my messages.

[salin]

85. It sorta reminds me of his whining complaint that Gore lost the election

by being to "populist".

And then as he runs a campaign... starting out at the top due to name recognitions... it stalls in a way that Gore's never did. Even requiring pulling out Iowa.

*sniff, sniff* Is that a little bit of ironic pie I smell?

[Capn Sunshine]

92. IRONIC PIE!!!

LOL
fabulous metaphor

[salin]

93. sadly for Sen. Lieberman

I think it might quickly becoming a regular staple for dessert!

(thanks for comment :D)

[RafterMan]

109. Has a familiar ring

>It's just so amateurish and petty-sounding.

It sounds a bit like he cribbed it from a DU post. Could someone search the archives?

I cannot imagine what Lieberman hopes to achieve in this race. There is no possibility he will place better than third in a single state. Nobody will recycle a losing VP candidate. He had his chance to speak to a national audience in 2000. Why else do people run? Lieberman is drifting out of wrongheadedness and into delusions. Someone has to take him aside before he humiliates himself further.

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[DoveTurnedHawk]

7. Thanks!

And a :toast: to all the cool Dean supporters!

:-)

DTH

[RandomKoolzip]

56. You're welcome!

Now that my post has been deleted, people are going to wonder what the hell I said that was so offensive that it garnered three replies of "Thank you!"

[jmaier]

9. thanks Randomkool

Both the Clark and Dean campaigns seem to be doing something unusual and perhaps extraordinary for the democratic party. 2004 is going to be a good year!

:pals:

[kainah]

13. somehow, I suspect Lieberman

might be beyond the civility rule. I can't see any flame wars breaking out on DU because someone trashes Lieberman. :shrug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. I hate to say it and know I will be flamed but he is essentially correct

While I have seen Clark address SOME policy, he does appear to be steering away from it and I have concerns on his approach to trade.

I do like what I have seen about Clark but in his very first Dem debate, I was taken aback ny the fact that he even bothered to appear at the debate and HAD no policy answers..since then he has not done that again, and my DU friends that do support him have gone a long way to make me feel better about his candidacy..but I do believe Lieberman has a right to challenge him where he is weakest.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Teena, Please Check Out His Website, He Has Some of the MOST Detailed

policies of any candidate there.

As for trade, he's certainly no worse than Dean or Kerry, although I agree that Gephardt and Edwards are superior on this issue.

DTH

[depakid]

31. Some position papers are finally starting to get some meat

on them

I hadn't been to the site in a couple of weeks- last time I was there, they were still very general statements (quite a few still are). When he first entered the race, I figured it would take until sometime around the first of the year to get the major ones together. Unfortunately for the Clark campaign, I also figured that by then it would probably be too late.

So far, I like what I'm reading. It's kind of too bad he didn't have more of these ready when he announced. I think it would have enriched the debates and given him more fodder for press releases.

[jmaier]

12. I certainly don't

challenge Sen Lieberman's right to attack. It's silly to complain about attacks during a political campaign -- they pretty much define the history of campaigning.

[SahaleArm]

14. Desperate Joe Lieberman - The man in the pocket of the insurance...

industry, has never seen pork he didn't like. I hope the Clark campaign takes it to him considering I've seen very little policy in any of the debates. Wes has been pushing his healthcare and economic plan in Arizona, and in his Southern tour. One of the reasons I support him is that I am more for balanced free trade than most people on DU who seem to prefer bilatteral trade.

[Donna Zen]

29. Wes 101

Just the other night on DU, another candidates supporter(s) was complaining about Clark's detailed explanations re: Saddam's trial etc. Now you can't have it both ways.

Listening to Wesley Clark is like a semenar in policy, and when asked a question about the plan, he will give you a detailed and informative answer that is easily understood.

Anyone doubting that needs only to go to cspan and watch a townmeeting. The are nothing short of fucking brilliant.

I'm hoping to see him live this coming Saturday.

Lieberman with 100% name recognition has the luxury of running policy ads.

[mikehiggins]

49. No problem, nothing

flame away!

You don't like Clark's campaign, don't vote for him.

We'll get over it.

And if your candidate gets the nomination, we'll come out and work for him (or her) with a smile and a wink.

Its a beautiful day, and the birds were singing down here in Florida.

If you are interested in his programs, go to the website and give them a look. I think you'll be pleased. If not, as was mentioned before, don't vote for him.

Life is good.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

58. I didn't say that! Holy hell! I like them all more than I like Bush!

Come on Ya'll..it's not like I just said "your mother wears combat boots!"

I'll check his site more..last time I looked it was void of policy.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

61. I'm So Glad To Hear You Say That

Because it tells me you're going to be pleasantly surprised! :-) Seriously, go here, it is JAM-PACKED full of TONS of stuff:

http://clark04.com/issues/

DTH, Who Knew Teena Wasn't Flaming at All :-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

98. Thanks Darlin!

Sorry I missed your event..I PROMISE I will be at the next one...I will go over the site tomorrow.

You know I am fond of Clark with a few reservations...

[KittyWampus]

68. Clark Has More Figures Backing Up His 30+ Policy Papers

Than any candidate.

When Clark does Town Halls lately he numerous details...

this is spin that the rightwing has been spewing about Clarkt who has an innate gift for remembering details.

[BootinUp]

11. A Clear sign the tide is a turnin!

GO CLARK!

[Terry Gilbeath]

27. I think you are right

They don't start yelling unless your hurting them.

[BootinUp]

30. Hey Terry

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Mz Pip]

15. Geez, Lieberman

is just now putting this stuff out? It is old news.

I will not be sorry when his sorry ass is culled from the herd.

MzPip
:dem:

[Jack_Dawson]

16. Joe's up to $160,000

Goal: $300,000 by tomorrow night.

[salin]

87. that almost...,

makes me feel sorry for the guy... rather pathetic compared to other goals being set.

[meow mix]

17. wonderful news

more attacks plz!

i love how the voting record conveniently ends at 1988. =)

[Padraig18]

18. News flash: JL is not your friend, Clark fans. n/t

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[Padraig18]

26. I hope some will remember this e-mail...

... the next time JL attacks Gov. Dean; maybe it will put it in perspective? :)

[SahaleArm]

36. Joe has attacked Clark before - Not the first time...

and probably not the last.

[Kathleen04]

19. Oh brother...

Lame. I've seen Clark talking about the issues enough to know that Joe's full of it. If that's the best he can come up with...maybe that's a positive thing.

[revcarol]

21. It REALLY bothers me that Clark made over $100,000

being a lobbyist, using his connections to get contracts.Talk about being an insider...there's no more insider than being a lobbyist.

At first this didn't bother me, the quarterly report or whatever had him only making $5-10,000. But when the next report came out and he had made over $100,000 in COMMISSIONS from his lobbying activities, then I was alarmed. He obviously got some contracts for the military-industrial complex people, while Bush was President.

Clark people can joke all they want about Lieberman's heavy-handed tactics, but, for me, this is a REAL ISSUE!!

Don't ignore this issue, Clark people.Bush won't, if Clark gets the nomination. Bush will be the white knight and Clark will be the one who sold his soul to Satan.(The repugs don't worry about consistency or logic.)

[SahaleArm]

25. How about a source to your data?

On Edit:

How does it compare to the millions Joe and other Senators have received over the years? Not to mention undisclosed gains and connections.

1989-1994 PAC: http://www.opensecrets.org/1994os/osdata/liebejos.pdf

[Donna Zen]

42. One was for "night vision goggles"

In the NYT piece, it said that Clark's main job was appearing at their dinners and giving foreign policy speeches. Clark never shilled for tanks and guns--he said he turned down "weapons" offers.

The Acxion thing...which I'm sorry but I will not ever look it up again...was a board position, and later a lobby position. In the two articles I saw, Clark's comments amounted to 1) Asking questions about how the privacy rights would be protected 2) complaining about how incestuous the contract awarding process is in Washington.

Finally, Acxion bid on the FTC contract for Homeland Security. Under the old data program in place before 911, people who names matched a suspected security risk were getting thrown off of planes and not allowed to fly. The new data would include other information to widen the perameters and thus stop the false positives. The info might now include "what color is your house."

Oh, and he had nothing to do with Jet Blue according to Jet Blue and Acxion. And before the usual suspects chime in with "they could be lying!!!!!!" Do you realize how easy it would be to check that out? No, it is the truth.

Most of Clark's money was made from speeches a la Clinton etal. 30,000-60,000 a pop. That surprized me, but hey! he's doing it for nothing now.

And since this thread is about Lieberman's email....where does JL get his $$$$? Right now the tax payers are paying all of the congress people who are running their steady paychecks.

[revcarol]

28. It was on DU a while back.

His lobbyist filing papers and filed reports of his income from lobbying, twice. Total computer illiterate here...don't know how to search. About 2 months ago, I would guess.Also his work for Axciom...and Axciom being involved in the anti-terrorism "look at Americans business."

I remember, because I was shocked.

[SahaleArm]

33. He made most of his money from writing...

sitting on boards, speaking tours, about $1.5 million in the last two years. There wasn't a lobbyist breakdown as far as I can tell since was salaried not commissioned.

Because of an oversight by Clark's accountant, Clark had to pay an extra $24 to Internal Revenue Service in 2001 because of an error on taxes regarding household help.

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/1086563p-7590124c.html

[BootinUp]

32. The Government (and our country) can't run

without insiders, the question is whether the insiders have integrity. Based on what I have observed of Clark so far, he is someone we need on the inside. If he is advising our government on national security I feel just a little bit safer.

[Jack_Dawson]

46. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:boring:

[Jack_Dawson]

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Replying to Self

[mikehiggins]

63. Oh, I wouldn't worry too much about that

But thanks for caring.

The ads are what the Clark team has decided best fits the campaign.

If you like them, that's good.

If you don't like them, that's okay as well.

You can't please anybody.

As to BushCo's attacks, well the only way to deal with them is to assume they are lies (even if they are true). Bush is a liar, his administration is made up of liars, his supporters are liars. So any sensible campaign will simply hammer that point home at every opportunity. What else is MoveOn's 30 second ads basically talking about?

So if you establish that the other side is lying it really doesn't matter what they say, does it?

Life is good.

[robbedvoter]

22. Joe needs to avoid his own resume, cuz lookee what's in it:

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/34/news-ireland.php
highlights:
On March 9, 1995, in remarks at the National Press Club, as chairman of the pro-corporate Democratic Leadership Council, Lieberman denounced the case for affirmative action as “an un-American argument because it’s based on averages, not individuals,” and went on to praise Ward Connerly’s Proposition 209, the misnamed “California Civil Rights Initiative,” which outlawed affirmative action: “I can’t see how I could be opposed to it, because it basically is a statement of American values.”
snip
lieberman has a long record of political homophobia. Lieberman, who told the New Haven Advocate that “homosexuality is wrong,” joined with notorious homo-hater Jesse Helms in voting to take away federal funding from schools that counsel suicidal gay teens that it’s okay to be gay. On gays in the military, Lieberman has enunciated the now-discredited canard that “homosexual conduct can harm unit cohesion and effectiveness.”
snip
his 2000 vice-presidential campaign: That August, Holy Joe told a Detroit congregation never to imagine “that morality can be maintained without religion.”
snip

G.I. Joe is a firm supporter of Ronald Reagan’s favorite movie-inspired fantasy, Star Wars


But the quintessential Lieberman act of opportunism was his mad dash to the Rose Garden to stand shoulder to shoulder with Dubya and co-sponsor the resolution that gave away Congress

[tishaLA]

38. Let's not forget Lieberman and Lynne Cheney

with their "academic freedom" bullshit...it encourages students to rat out "liberal" faculty at universities and put them on a watch list.

[Carni]

23. GAWD Why did Gore pick this guy?

I am one of the "anybody but bush people" but I'll tell ya...I would have to hold my nose and drink about a fifth of booze to vote for Joe.

[Doctor Pedantic]

24. Wow! A Shout-Out To Harding!

So Clark praised Bush at Harding University in Searcy, Arkansas. Too funny.

Harding is affiliated with the Churches of Christ, of which I'm a life-long member. I went to the most "liberal" of our church schools, Pepperdine...Harding is where the "good" church kids went!

Don't hear a lot about ol' Harding (a/k/a, "Hardly University in Scarcely, Arkansas"), so I found the reference pretty amusing.

BTW, none other than Ken Starr (like me, the son of a C of C preacher) went to Harding for a while before transferring to Georgetown.

[SahaleArm]

39. Wasn't Ken Starr Dean of Pepperdine Law?

I always thought going to school on the beach might be fun:)

[Doctor Pedantic]

64. He Almost Went There

Starr was going to head up Pepperdine's law school and new school of public policy, but the right wing was enraged that he was going to abandon the Clinton investigation so he decided not to go. I would have been furious if he'd gone to Pepperdine! He's taught there before, as has Scalia, but a full-time position would've been more than I could bear.

And yes, going to school in Malibu certainly had its perks!

[Tummler]

35. This is great news for Clark supporters

It means that Lieberman almost certainly won't have a role in (or any clout with) the Clark administration.

[LiberalBushFan]

37. isn't that a lie?

It says he always voted Republican from 1972 to 1992, but only lists votes until 1988. As we know, he voted Dem in 1992. Just because the term lasts from 1988 to 1992 doesn't mean you can say the person voted Repub in 1992. Lieberman had been 8th place on my list, with Dean 9th, but now Dean and Lieberman are tied for 8th (both for their lies).

[BootinUp]

44. Parsing dates I guess but

WHO CARES! Lieberman ain't going anywhere with this stuff. Attacks on Clark are being recycled already cause there isn't much to attack. I am getting a very good feeling that Clark is on the rise. This attack is proof positive.

[cprise]

57. Clark only voted Dem when neo-liberals took over.

.

[BootinUp]

62. Recycling is good! Thanks n/t

[mikehiggins]

40. He likes us! He really likes us!

Its a given that you only hurt the ones you love, the ones you shouldn't hurt at all. <no link given>

Joe just hasn't gotten the memo yet.

His campaign is not doing so well and attacking other candidates isn't doing much to help.

It must be frustrating to know that Dean's burps get more coverage than his lengthy diatribes about other candidates, but there it is. Sometimes in life you just have to let go.

[BootinUp]

45. Ouch!

"Dean's burps get more coverage than his lengthy diatribes"

have you considered going into politics professionally?

[CTLawGuy]

41. whew!

he's attacking someone besides Dean for once.

that said, Lieberman is a fucktard.

[robbedvoter]

50. Here's Joe being smacked down by us recently:

http://cajungirl.forclark.com/story/2003/12/14/131042/70

[Donna Zen]

52. I received a Lieberman email a long, long time ago...Sept iirc

I might have a posted a line or two from it, but no one seemed interested. It bashed everyone, including Clark. But it was fucking nut crazy...I think it was about ME policy. Anyway, it made no sense.

[Jerseycoa]

54. Heh Heh

This should make us some friends around here. :evilgrin:

[burning bush]

59. ABBOL

Anybody But Bush Or Lieberman.

I don't like the concept of party purges, but there MUST be someway to get this guy to go the hell away and not come back.

I'm not a Clark supporter, but I can't believe the cojones on Joe, and the absolute lack of his ability to campaign on his own merits. Makes you almost wish that we replace the primaries this year with a WWF SmackDown style elimination process.

The only way I could even consider voting 3rd party would be if Lieberman were nominated.

Ultimately, I'll hold my nose and vote for Joe, if I must, but it will be painful, and it may be the last time I vote Dem.

How do we send Joe a message? Something along the line of "Hey Joe? Sit the hell down, and STF up!" Is that over the top?

I can never tell...

[Walt Starr]

60. I don't care much for Lieberman

but the votes for Nixon through Bush I are the one thing that keeps me out of the Clark camp.

[mikehiggins]

65. Well, I hope that doesn't keep you from voting for him in November

Actually Jimmy Carter said he forgave Clarke for voting for Reagan, though his wife doesn't.

Of courser most Americans voted for Nixon, Reagan and Bush I, so I guess that puts Clark sort of in line with the general public (no pun).

I have no problem with it at all but to each his own.

Have a nice day.

[Walt Starr]

108. Actually, Clark has no chance whatsoever of getting my vote

primary, general election, dog catcher, nada.

[Jerseycoa]

66. We won't hold it against you

If after three months of thinking about it, you still can't live with it, okey dokey.

:hi:

[maddezmom]

69. poor Joe

:(

[bowens43]

70. I agree with Lieberman (that was really dificult to say)

Anyone who looks at Clark's record can't possibly believe that he is qualified to be President or that he is a member of the Democratic party for any reason other then to further his own interests. Clark wants to be president. He would prefer to be republican president, but that's not in the cards. Many Democrats , due to recent circumstances, have come to believe that the only way to beat bush is to be bush. Clark has taken advantage of this false perception. He has manipulated people by exploiting the fears that are being fostered by bush and his never ending war on terror.

[eileen_d]

71. Sweeping statements

My support for Clark has nothing to do with the reasons you mentioned. Thanks for playing, though

[bowens43]

73. Maybe not.

But it can't be because of his record of supporting the Democratic Party or it's ideals. Nor can it be because of exemplary record on domestic issues. Nor can it be because of his experience in the world of politics. Nor can it be because of his ability to take position and stick with it.

[eileen_d]

74. So what else do you know about me?

What am I wearing right now? What car do I drive?

[bowens43]

76. I don't know, you tell me.

Well, actually , I really don't care what you're wearing but I do like cars.

[abburdlen]

81. fec data

In 2000 Clark donated $1000 to Erskine Bowles senate campaign against Elizabeth Dole.

And by the way, I have looked at his record and I believe he is the most qualified person running to be President

[worldgonekrazy]

97. Yeah I found myself agreeing with Lieberman on the Roe v. Wade thing

At first I was like "but I can't agree with Lieberman."

Now, here for a second time in a week, he has done it again. I guess Joe CAN be right sometimes!

[PAMod]

72. Geez, you can tell Clark is polling well and raising money...

The 2003 vogue has been to tear down any successful candidates to build up a sagging campaign.

As long as it stops in '04...

[bowens43]

75. The truth

is tearing down? Can you dispute anything that was written in the email? Clark's record of support for republicans in general and this administration in particular, like everything else in the email, is well documented.

[PAMod]

78. I don't dispute any of it.

In fact, I am convinced that if a Al Gore were in the White House today, Clark would be running as a Republican.

I was merely pointing out that you can tell when a candidate is having some success by the actions of the heretofore unsuccessful candidates. If Clark or Dean were polling as poorly as Kerry or Lieberman or Sharpton, et al, no one would be critical.

Sorry I wasn't clear in my original post.

[JVS]

82. It is for that reason that Democrats should not vote for Clark

Letting the party become a vehicle for opportunists who could run as a Republican would be the final nail in the party's coffin.

[BootinUp]

84. Guess you haven't

read or listened to anything he has to say. That's the only explanation for your characterization. If you based your argument on the issues then at least we could debate it.

[JVS]

88. Did you read 78?

[BootinUp]

95. Sure did, its nonsense just like the one preceding it

If one is to make a case that Clark supported the administration or the republicans, they would need more evidence then one piece of video tape of one speach. Clark was never what you can call politically active or an activist. Its this basic stretching of the facts that makes these posts nonsense.

[Tinoire]

103. Thank you for your refreshing honesty. n/t

[mmonk]

77. I like it when

the most republican like candidate issue wise accuses another of being too republican.

Fact is, Clark's positions are pretty specific or specific enough. He has a position on many important things (the economy, rural economy, gay and lesbian rights, a progressive tax system, foreign policy, manufacturing, trade, etc.). Ads or commercials aren't long enough to be very specific so, of course, they are resume oriented.

Just more attack garbage as Lieberman tries to become a candidate who fights Dean for the nomination.

[JVS]

79. What do you mean OUR own? Lieberman is arguing that Clark isn't one of us

Joe has a lot of evidence to back up his case too.

[JNelson6563]

80. Seems to me Joe doesn't know who to smear next

Since so many are beating him he's got lots of targets to shot at. Poor Joe. ;-)

Julie

[dolstein]

83. Yeah, as if Dean, Gephardt and Kerry never smeared anybody

Edwards and Clark are taking the high road -- for now -- but they're the only major candidates to do so. Dean has been attacking the "Democratic establishment" (i.e., any Democrat who isn't supporting Dean) for the past year. Gephardt and Kerry have been hammering Dean this past week, albeit without the wit of Lieberman. Sorry, as much as you'd like to believe that Lieberman's the only candidate who's doing this, you're wrong.

[JNelson6563]

89. I'm sorry where'd I say that

And FYI running as the outsider has been a winning strategy for ages. That has been Dean's strategy all along.

Julie

[sfecap]

86. The DINO war! LOL.

You go Joe!

[Name removed]

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[ozone_man]

91. Pot calls kettle black. n/t

[DFLforever]

94. Hmmm...Clark must be moving in on Lieberman's right of center turf..

[robbedvoter]

100. You didn't mean it as a compliment, but it's true

It's the McCain voters in NH that Joe is sending this smear to.
And yes, Clark does have a broad appeal - spanning the specters. That's why he'll win - rather than dividing his base, he's rallying them.

[Tom Rinaldo]

107. Lieberman knows that if he loses to Clark in NH he's toast.

What can he run on if he finish's fourth in his New England back yard? Certainly not as the "anti-Dean" (yes I hate that term - but it fits Lieberman's style to polarize that way). Lieberman has to beat Clark in NH the same way Gephardt has to beat Dean in Iowa. Failure to do so dooms him. Lieberman is already running behind Clark in most if not all of the Feb 3rd States. Lieberman's only thin reed of hope is to somehow pull off 3rd in NH bhind Dean, Kerry. Since Dean is exptected to win, and Kerry once was, Lieberman would try to claim "momentum" with 3rd. Lieberman is attacking Clark because he is rapidly running out of options.

[worldgonekrazy]

96. Pot kettle black

Yeah.

I mean exactly what you think I mean.

"Joe, meat Wesley."

"Wesley, meet Joe."

[jpgpenn]

99. I phoned his campaign headquarters....

yesterday and really let them have it.

[robbedvoter]

101. Did anyone answer? They don't get paid anymore, ya know,

Throughout 2002 and 2003 Joe raised less money than Clark raised in 3 months, and that includes the sympathy bump he got from the Gore diss. So,it's got to smart.

[jpgpenn]

102. o yea, they answered

The guy I spoke with did alot to defend Lieberman. He said Leiberman was good for the party and that the email was only pointing out truths and on and on. I let him know that maybe Lieberman should stop his steady appearances on FAUX News before he tries to brand another Dem a repub.

[maddezmom]

104. good reply :)

[Jerseycoa]

105. Good for you!

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