Okay - This is taking it too damn far! My integrity was challenged!

[seventhson]

During the primary season in a number of posts related to the primary campaign - and even in recent days - the question of my integrity has arisen and the assertion that my motives are suspect or even deceitful or worse has occurred.

Well - in the interest of sharing my perspective and raising some hell in an effort to unseat the Dubya dubbed "Temporary" by his S&B brothers, I found a dandy and delectable treat to demonstrate just what I mean when I say that the desire for Dubya's defeat in the election cycle of 2004 is sincere.

This little thingie is not for the weak-kneed liberals or those who scoff at the tinfoil yarmulka some claim I sport.

It is for those who want to join the fray and dispense the dirt and the slime at "the opposition"

I cannot vouch for everything that is in here because I just took a look around.

But for the novice or new initiate it is a hell of a lot of fun.

For the seasoned and conservative democratic operative it may be beneath them and even contemptible garbage.

But I say it is the bees knees in the bizness of politics in a season which will probably be hell and highwater. The hellhounds are barking and the donkeys are braying let the games begin:

Go here now:

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html

and of course tell me what you think.

You may begin flaming now.

[aldian159]

1. your motives and integrity are pure, seventhson

I just think sometimes you're reaching a bit, that's all.

OTOH, I recall a post saying your dad or someone was a WWII intelligence agent. Knowing that, I can see where you come from.

[seventhson]

3. Here's the deal

My father did low level intelligence work in WWII. He was a Nazi profiler during the war.

He discovered and hipped me to the Hitler Wall street connection.

He worked with the Jewish and French underground in aiding antifascists to escape the Nazis (against government orders because - at the time - we were still "friendly" with Hitler and Vichy France).

here is a link for those interested in the story -

http://www.almondseed.com/vfry/fryhist.htm

I have been reluctant to say much more than this because I have had threats,

But spretty soon my book will be published and I will be "out". So I would like to share at least a tidbit of the real deal for those who have doubts about my integrity.

[aldian159]

4. very cool stuff

can't wait for the book.

[Pillowbiter]

2. If it's any consolation

I agree with you, and don't think you are nutty.

Just don't act nutty though.

PB

[Lexingtonian]

5. oh, cute

I didn't see that much questioning of your motives, frankly. There was a lot of stating that you were in fact levelling what isn't to be levelled, and a sense that you didn't know how it served the Other Side. Perhaps you know Hannah Arendt's famous dictum about Jewish involvement in host society politics....

The link you've given doesn't actually make a rigorous argument. What it does demonstrate is a widespread failure of modern education to teach religious theologies. The commonality between Bush and Hitler is the employment of a common religious doctrine for political power which has a typical effect of spinning out of control into civilization-destroying rampages of various forms.

Try looking up Levinas's three axioms of occultism. I'd recommend Evelyn Underhill's 'Mysticism and Magic'.

[seventhson]

6. Interesting. Hannah Arendt was rescued by the Americans mentioned in

the link I posted above. It was actually an international group with numerous participants smuggling those wanted by the Gestapo out of Europe over the Pyrenees and other ways.
Many Americans played significant roles.

Enlighten me on the Hannah Arendt thing though 0 briefly. I want to know more.

and I weill check out the other stuff. Sounds interesting.

I suggest people learn the story about the rescue operation in the links above (not the first thread). It could happen here and we could learn some old tricks.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. Is the rescue operation that freed Arendt and Marc Chagall

and many others depicted with reasonable accuracy in the film "Varian's War"?

[seventhson]

9. Not really

Lot's of inaccuracies - a rightwinger's perspective. The writer/director Lionel Chetwynd (sp?) is a right wing idealogue (part of Bush's new right initiative in Hollywood) who portrayed the rescuers as wacked out deviants practically and the refugee antiNazis as cowardly elites. It was very poorly done.

There is a critique of the film at

http://chambon.org/ which is a more definitive account.

Estimates of this rescue operation are that some 2000 persons were rescued or more from Hitler's Nazi death machine.

Journalists writers and artists as well as labor organizers and politixal activists, human rights lawyers and leftists were targeted by Hitler and were the primary beneficiaries of this internatonal effort.

Thing is - the US government stood in the way of the rescuers and refused to asequately assist the saving of lives because it was considered "illegal" and contrary to US business and other interests.

[TrogL]

8. What a wacko

Check out the anti-christ section.

[seventhson]

10. Yeah - this is absolutely INSANE - a Must read (from the link) Thanks Trog

The Religious Right - revealed*
News Flash - Two evangelical Christian relief and missionary organizations are poised to enter Iraq "to attend the physical and spiritual needs of its large Muslim population.. This will likely confirm the belief that George Bush has started a Crusade as he stated last year.

All Christians and those of other religions must pull together to get through this crisis. Now is not the time for sectarianism.

Christians, Jews and Muslims are all "children of the book". Most of the problems caused by religion in today's world (and in times past) is caused by "fundamentalists" who distort the teachings of their respective religions for their own purposes, often political.

Islam is a religion of peace and caring. Fundamentalist Islam is a religious ideology promoting hatred of the United States and Israel.
Christianity is a religion of love. Fundamentalist Christianity is a religious ideology proclaiming hate against Jews, Catholics, gays, immigrants and anyone not like themselves.

I am deeply concerned that Fundamentalist Christians within the United States will use the recent bombings as an excuse to further their actions against those they hate. I believe the United States is now engaged in a Crusade against Islam in the middle East.


There is a GREAT link to DU at this site too!

[seventhson]

11. Sorry - I thought you were kidding

I actually thought that section was kinda fun!