Stop crying, or I'll give you something to cry about:

[Paragon]

BUSH REELECTED
(AP) - November 3, 2004

[info being]

1. One more lesson: fear doesn't motivate us, hope does.

[Tom Rinaldo]

4. Usually, yes. But I find that photo to be oddly compelling n/t

[Name removed]

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[no name no slogan]

8. Who did he call a name in his response?

I saw none of that.

BTW he's right: if you vote simply out of FEAR, then they've already won-- regardless of who gets elected.

[sangh0]

12. "Fear"

He accuses the thread starter of "fear mongering". After a starting a thread about how he wants people to talk to him with the proper tone, he goes around demonstrating how NOT to do it

[boxster]

That is a stretch of epic proportions.

The entire post was:

"One more lesson: fear doesn't motivate us, hope does."

Personally, that sounds like an opinion, not an accusation. There are many who would prefer not to stoop to the fear tactics used by BushCo.

Besides, we all know how bad Bush is. No one has to explain to me how bad a second term would be.

[boxster]

9. Did the rest of us miss something?

I don't see any "name calling" in the post you responded to. And, your post seems to be completely off the (albeit very limited) topic.

:shrug:

[info being]

13. First you have wade through all the assumptions...then undertstand

that some of these people take everything you say personally...then maybe you can understand that my pointing out that "Fear" is being used is the same as name-calling.

[sangh0]

18. The only asumption made

was your assumptiont hat someone was trying to scare someone else into voting for Kerry.

People without those assumptions might consider the possibility that the original poster was trying to focus attention on our shared goal, but not you

[boxster]

22. Again, I think you're reading waaaay too much into this.

"was your assumption that someone was trying to scare someone else into voting for Kerry."

You got that out of "fear doesn't motivate us"?

Apparently, there's some history between the two of you that I haven't bothered looking into, but Kerry wasn't even mentioned by anyone until your post. Yes, I understand your rationale and how you are getting to your assertions, but I think they are a little misguided.

By the way, I agree with the premise - fear doesn't motivate me; frustration with the current administration and anger at the direction they have taken the country motivates me.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

68. anD IS Really unusUal Probably TO Roam.

[BL_Zebub]

14. SOME of the "kerry supporters" here probably ARE Bush supporters?

Pure speculation, of course. And while admittedly, I'm not Kerry's biggest fan - not even his biggest fan in Hell (and we can use big fans down here!) I dare say that Kerry would probably shit a brick AND a stack of waffles if he saw the irrational hatred spewed by some of those acting in his name. Believe me, if I hear about Satanists with that kind of attitude, I call Gabriel on his cell phone and get the angels after their asses. No need for that on my team, after all :evilgrin:

[info being]

16. I've been thinking the same thing lately.

Maybe Kerry does have mainstream appeal. I can't distinguish Kerry supporters from Bush supporters. Truth be told...Bush supporters are a little more humble these days.

[boxster]

33. Can't agree with you there.

Kerry most certainly isn't the only candidate with supporters at DU who are so fervent that they turn off just about everyone else.

That dishonor is shared by most of the candidates.

[sangh0]

36. And you though it had nothing to do with Kerry

See your post #22

[boxster]

42. Yes, and I can read other responses in this thread. Can you?

I was responding to:

"Maybe Kerry does have mainstream appeal. I can't distinguish Kerry supporters from Bush supporters. Truth be told...Bush supporters are a little more humble these days."

which had nothing to do with the original post.

In addition, I never said that the original post had nothing to do with Kerry. I questioned responses to a generic statement: "One more lesson: fear doesn't motivate us, hope does." which said nothing specifically about Kerry. The inference is solely yours, which was, in part, my point.

Apparently, there is either a) some pent-up animosity on your part re: "info being" or b) some history between you two. Your statement, outside of this context, made no sense.

[sangh0]

45. It wasn't a generic response

and it's not my fault you missed the context. And if the inference really were "solely" mine, then why did infobeing agree?

You missed the other threads, so it's understandable why you didn't see what I saw. However, I did see it and so my comments are not "stretching it". I'm just working with more info than you.

Apparently, there is either a) some pent-up animosity on your part re: "info being" or b) some history between you two. Your statement, outside of this context, made no sense

I don't remember seeing info_being before yesterday. No history. I just have more info than you about what ib has been saying, and Kerry is undoubtedly part of his message, as his response clearly shows

[boxster]

50. Uh, yes, that was my point, obviously.

I don't read every thread on DU. So, a statement like the one you made out of the blue, with no context whatsoever, looks a tad strange.

Keep in mind that none of the responses to which you are now referring were there when I posted my response to your initial comment, so I obviously would not have them to use as reference, as you do now. Not a word had been said about Kerry at that point. Using posts that came after mine to prove a point about a post I made that proceeded them all seems a tad silly.

Sorry, but my ESP and foreknowledge skills aren't in full form today.

"No history."

On the contrary. A simple search of the archives or clicking on the Profile link would tell you if info being is a newbie. He/she is not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=132643

Been around since 10/03, and there are posts in the archives dating back that far.

[sangh0]

54. I understand that you're not psychic

which is why I did not respond rudely to you. Go back and read my posts to you. I don't call you names, say you're stupid or blow you off. You raise issues about my post, and I responded without hostility even though you were strongly implying that my motivations were less than honorable.

On the contrary. A simple search of the archives or clicking on the Profile link would tell you if info being is a newbie. He/she is not

I meant that info being and I have no history of interacting with each other. I said this because you implied my comments were the result of there being "history" between me and ib. There is no "history" between the two of us, and I have no interest in how long s/he has been a member of DU.

[boxster]

59. How else could I possibly interpret it?

Your subject like was "Still using the name calling?"

Does that not inherently insinuate, especially with the complete lack of context, that you've waged this battle with info being before?

*Still* does it for me. That says to me, "Hey, this has gone on before."

There are really only two possibilities here. 1) you responded to the wrong post; 2) you've had similar conversations with info being before.

Otherwise, "Still using the name calling?" makes exactly no sense whatsoever as a response to "One more lesson: fear doesn't motivate us, hope does." for the simple fact that there was no name calling there!

And, sorry, but I don't buy your claim elsewhere in this thread that "fear" somehow equates to name calling. Far from it.

[sangh0]

61. Where did I blame you?

I don't know why you ask "How else could I possibly interpret it?" when I've already said I understand why you interpreted the way you did. I don't know why you seem to think I'm blaming you when all I've done is respond to you, and I've been civil to you.

Does that not inherently insinuate, especially with the complete lack of context, that you've waged this battle with info being before?

No, but I can understand why you would think so.

[boxster]

64. Ok, got it. I disagree on one point, however.

You obviously have some recent history with info being, hence the "still" comment.

I never said you were blaming me for anything. I was clarifying my interpretation, which frankly, is the only interpretation possible in the context of this thread.

[sangh0]

65. What do you mean by "recent history"?

I've already pointed out that I started noticing this poster starting yesterday. Is seeing those posts and noticing some hypocrisy and dishonesty what you mean by "recent history"? And why do you care?

And yes, I know you were clarifying, but why, I don't know since I have understood from the very beginning why you interpreted my post the way you did.

[saltpoint]

72. He who has eyes to see, let him see.

You're unable to make the distinction? Odd.

Perhaps you picked up the wrong pair of glasses by mistake.

No, wait. I see the problem. You need to replace your self-importance with a commonality of purpose within the party. It goes without saying, of course, that that IS the purpose of a political party.

Must have just slipped your mind, IB.

[Nazgul35]

62. any evidence to support that claim

:shrug:

:evilgrin:

or is it just your interpretation that no one else seems to be following....

Perhaps if you provided some examples to show us what you mean...

[Paragon]

6. Fear is an OUTSTANDING motivator

How else to explain Bush not sinking like a stone in the polls?

Fear works on Americans just fine.

[info being]

15. I know. But it doesn't work on Progressives. That was my point:)

[Paragon]

17. Pardon me, but...

...I'm a progressive, and the idea of four more years of Bush scares the shit out of me and the rest of the world - as it should you.

[The Magistrate]

26. But Mr. Paragon

You forget we are dealing with a superior breed here; persons with sensibilities and outlooks far superior to those of ordinary humans, and to whom the ordinary rules of human behavior cannot be applied. It is only ordinary folks who can be deterred by fear of consequences, or mobilized to fight by fear of what their enemies intend. These elevated creatures know only hope, which is by definition the imagining that what cannot reasonably be expected will come to pass even so. They are the political equivalent of lottery plungers....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Crunchy Frog]

41. What Paragon said. n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

10. It motivates me - speak for yourself....

n/t

[sangh0]

20. infobeing has a habit of speaking for all "progressive idealists"

going so far as to identify the issues they are most concerned with

[OKNancy]

38. Personally it's loathing, disgust,

and party loyalty that motivates me.

Partisan Democrat - and Proud of it.

[saltpoint]

70. Thank Jesus you're still instructing us, IB --

-- What would we do without your stunning and visionary guidance?

[Renew Deal]

80. I don't know abou that.

That image is pretty scary.

[JohnnyFianna1]

2. B-But Nader told me that Democrats and Republicans are the same n/t

[corporatewhore]

7. As i said befor umhaider not nader showed me they aint that different

for most people voting third party they are doing so for personal reasons it isnt just about nader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=389828#411525

[citizen snips]

3. You won't hear no crying from me.

n/t

[AmyStrange]

11. Re-elected?

how do you figure he's running for re-election?

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[boxster]

30. Good point.

[Paragon]

34. Not really.

I highly doubt the AP would use the word "reselected" or whatever in a hypothetical headline.

[AmyStrange]

40. I only hear repubs using that word...

I'm sure it was only a slip of the (freudian?) tongue on Paragon's part,

d

[boxster]

44. Upon further reflection, Paragon is right - that is how the AP

would report it.

The "BUSH REELECTED" headline was meant to be an AP headline. Hence, the (AP).

[AmyStrange]

48. And of course...

Paragon didn't see anything wrong with the word "re-elected"?

I personally would not have used that "fictitious" AP headline, because I know the truth,

d

[boxster]

52. Well, if Paragon is trying to accurately portray an AP headline, that's

probably what they'd print.

"Paragon didn't see anything wrong with the word "re-elected"?"

Perhaps, but perhaps not. If Paragon is guilty of the "fear-mongering" that many in this thread claim (on which I do not intend to comment, as there appears to be a lot of back story and context going on with some of these posters), then the use of the word could have been completely intentional, knowing the reaction it would receive.

In my opinion, I can't honestly believe the responses it has received, and I don't think it's a big deal. Obviously, people see what they want to see, but the reading between the lines going on here and the assumptions being made are just incredible.

[AmyStrange]

53. Depends...

upon what Paragon is trying to be accurate about. That Bush will win because people are crying?

d

[boxster]

56. Here's what I think....

I agree that the "stop crying" comment is not terribly subtle and not a shining beacon of humility, but I think it's being taken too seriously.

I took it as the line employed by nagging moms everywhere, and I view it in that context. It was obviously a "yeah, but the alternative is 4 more years of Bush" post in its simplest form.

I agree that there are plenty of other ways to make the same point, but sometimes, it's just easier to take a little shortcut. It's not going to win any fans, but I don't really think it was intended to.

[AmyStrange]

58. Also...

when did they move the innaugaration to Nov 3rd? Paragon took a shortcut with the picture and date, but not the title?

d

[boxster]

60. See post #27 and its replies.

[AmyStrange]

69. Nothing wrong with dramatic license...

but what's interesting is that the only thing that's argued for it's accuracy is something I've only heard a repub use...

d

[maxanne]

19. a new variation

on browbeating. Maybe next you could put up the old National Lampoon Ad, with the gun held to the puppy's head. "Vote for Kerry or We'll Kill This Dog."

:eyes:

[sangh0]

21. Aww, does your brow hurt?

Were those posts too too painful for you? Maybe you should avoid them if they are that painful?


:eyes:

[maxanne]

28. glad to see

you still here spreading joy and party unity, sangh0. You can't seem to stop responding to me, can you??

[sangh0]

37. way to spread unity maxanne

telling others they are "browbeating" you always gives them the warm and fuzzies.

[maxanne]

47. sorry there sangh0

I realize you'd rather we just kept quiet about it. The solution is pretty simple, really - the browbeaters could simply stop.

Following me around the board carping at me is a sure way to win me over, though. I feel like giving you a big wet kiss already.

[sangh0]

49. Win you over?

What ever gave you that idea?

[maxanne]

66. the way you follow me

around. You mean....*sob* this isn't true love???? :cry:

[saltpoint]

73. It's your warm sense of inclusion and fairness, Maxanne.

We all just love it.

[maxanne]

77. funny how that works

Ghost Consul. Often you get what you give.

[saltpoint]

79. Or, it could be that you just like the adrenalin --

-- of disagreeing with people. Your posts are invariably negative and show a consistent refusal to admit obvious points.

That's why you're drawing fire, maxanne. You stake out a stubborn point of view and won't let go, even after the place has closed for hours.

[maxanne]

81. yeah right

I hardly think you've been here long enough to have read all of my posts - since I've been posting here for a few years now.

I look at the people I draw fire from, and evaluate from there, Ghost Consul. The intransigent groupthinkers are the ones most easily irritated.

I'm guessing you see yourself as a person whose posts are invariably positive, and show great open mindedness? LOL

the ignore button is your friend.

[saltpoint]

82. Maxanne, you love a fight. That's good.

That's good for Democrats. You're smart and feisty.

But I stand by what I said. You make a point of ignoring points raised in others' posts and then the energy of subsequent posts between you runs toward the "oh yeah?" variety.

I'm honestly glad you've been here for a while. The Party can use all the people it can get, especially smart people, and especially informed people. You fill the bill.

[AmyStrange]

29. How is beating up on people here in the DU...

gonna help Kerry get elected in Nov? I'm sure you don't want to hear all the people who are getting beat up here on the DU say in Nov that, you'll just have to "deal with it" and "get over it" if he loses, because you've alienated folks away from Kerry with your meanness,


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[sangh0]

39. How is exagerrating on DU

going to convince me that there's a real problem here, and that it's not just whiny complainers who expect their posts to go uncriticized.

It's DU. No matter who you criticize or praise, someone here is going to criticize your post. It's not "browbeating"; It's "DU"

[AmyStrange]

43. I'm sure beating people up on DU...

will make them come crying to Kerry in Nov in droves to vote for him... NOT!!! It certainly doesn't seem as though you WANT Kerry to win in Nov as much as you seem to profess.

By the way, the DU is what we all make it - not the other way around.

d

[sangh0]

46. Did you get bruised?

Did the punches hurt badly? Or is your pain all in the head?

[AmyStrange]

51. Your point being...

that you are hurting me?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Me thinks you think too highly of yourself.

I hope your strategy works in Nov, because otherwise...

d

[sangh0]

55. You said you were "beaten up"

I'm just a concerned citizen.

Tell me where it hurts

[AmyStrange]

57. Where did I say "I" was being beaten up (n/t)

[Name removed]

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[AmyStrange]

67. ???????????

the cheapest ploy is thinking that "insulting" people will make them want to vote for Kerry. Good luck with everyone who uses that kind of strategy to "help" Kerry get elected in November,

d

[revcarol]

83. Paragon's mother must not have breast fed him...

otherwise, he might have some confidence in himself and his candidate and not have to be authoritarian.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

23. I used to hate it when my dad said that!

Another of his favorite lines that I used to hate:

"I hope you grow up and have a kid who's just like you"

I could never tell if it was a compliment or an insult, or just a warning.

[BootinUp]

25. That was my mom's line

She calls it the mother's curse, I can attest to the fact it is very effective.

;)

[salin]

24. ah, Par,

you just wanted an excuse to put Jenna's pic up ;-)

[Paragon]

32. mmm...that drunk little minx...

Wonder if there's anything on under that overcoat? :silly:

[boxster]

27. Inaccurate on three counts.

1) I'm not crying (though, I speak only for myself)
2) Not gonna happen.
3) Assuming #2 is incorrect, the inauguration would be in January, not November.

;)

[Paragon]

31. Dramatic license

A picture of Bush in the White House watching TV for returns in November just wouldn't have the same "oomph".

;-)

[boxster]

35. If he's sitting on the couch, choking on a pretzel....

Might appeal to some of us!

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[DianeG5385]

71. So perfect.

Let's get with the program people!

[Edwards4President]

74. No Fair!!!!

That's a cheap shot.

Stop!

Make him go away!

I won't be able to sleep!!!!

AAACCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[saltpoint]

75. Another good post, Paragon.

Thanks.

[oasis]

76. Let's hear it from the crybabies after Bush picks 4 Supreme court judges.

[JNelson6563]

78. Classic threat from abusive parent

As a formerly abused child I won't tell you the first sentiment that came to mind.

It had to do with what you could do with your message of fear....

Julie