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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:06 AM Original message |
A Message to Sen. Clinton -- Forcing People to Buy Insurance is Not Universal Healthcare |
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Adenoid_Hynkel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. exactly - her 1993 attempt was a corporate sham |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
2. i think a lot of people are going to be pissed off |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. HILLARY does not play the Obama game of WORM (What Obama Really Meant). |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
3. But it is the way we handle auto insurance. A mandate we live with |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Owning a car is a choice, not a right. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. And nobody makes you seek medical care. But for those of us who |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
33. "Nobody makes you seek medical care" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. A convenient re-definition, but not accurate. Especially out here in CA |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Yes, although car ownership should BE a choice. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. And eveybody knows there are millions of uninsured drivers on the road. It sucks. |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. And the uninsured can show up at emergency rooms. The situation |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. It's a lack of leadership that keeps promoting half assed solutions. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. HRC supporters say that her mandate-driven plan will lead to single payer universal |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Actually, why don't we? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I know. It's been proposed in some states. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. It's an excellent idea that always gets crushed by the insurance companies |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Which is also a transparent sop to corporations |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. GarnishGate is going to be her undoing. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. You Can't End Homelessness |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. a very good analogy! n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Don't give the DLC Dems any ideas. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. Exactly |
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DebraK (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. Her healthcare plan is a joke |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
11. Kicked, |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. What I love about this is that it's a nurse saying it, someone who |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Krugman's behavior is bizarre! n/t |
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Summerza (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
13. Not mentioned: Clinton will subsidize those who can't afford health care |
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Diogenes2 (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Subsidized healthcare for those who cannot afford it. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. How many rich people are uninsured? |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
15. Harold Ford, CHM DLC was on C. Rose tonight. It might be |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. The DLC is not the party |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Wow, hmmm. |
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DebraK (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
18. kick |
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lynch03 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
21. This will be really bad for her if it gets out enough |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 03:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. You, like many here, have misrepresented HRC's plan. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I didn't write this, and Hillary did say: |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. K&R -- this is almost exactly what I wrote several days ago |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. Do these whiners complain about paying taxes too? nt |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Poor people = "whiners" |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You only say that cause you wont try to comprehend the plan? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
38. But NO ONE will be forced to buy private insurance, |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
39. If mandated subsidized private HC is anything like Medigap was for my grandma's long term care -- |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
40. A message to ProSense |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. That's a pretty silly statement |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Why force people to get health care? So everyone can afford it |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I'm not the CNA. Here: |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
45. Kick! |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
47. This OP is deliberately deceptive |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Transcript: |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Is that link supposed to convince me of something? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "I don't think garnishing wages to pay for it is bad idea." That's why |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. She didn't say she would do that, but I wouldn't find that out of line |
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