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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:00 PM Original message |
Its after Feb 5, The Delegates for FL and MI should now count |
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spinbaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. If you want them to count, then have a proper election |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. What was improper about it? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Er, no campaigning? Hillary was the only candidate on the MI ballot? |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Errr...too bad. The people voted in Florida. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. Is it not true that |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Stealing elections, plain and simple |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I notice you failed to justify that charge |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Obama lost. Hillary won. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. Improper? It's revolutionary. All of our future primaries could involve telling |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. lol, but the truth is |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. So in essence, there'd be no penalty for violating party rules. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Not true. The penalty was no campaigning in the state. nt |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Which, what a coinky dink, helped your candidate. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Its not like they had no exposure to the campaigns |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Florida was exposed to MSM national polls showing HRC 20 points ahead |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. These delegates should count |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. When people cannot campaign, name recognition wins by default |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. No thank you. I'm in Florida and I was told that my vote didn't count. |
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Flabbergasted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. How do you calculate uncommitted votes into delegates as in MI. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Suggestions? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. They go to Obama. Resolution at the DNC, "Vote to give MI uncommitted votes to Barack Obama." |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Exactly. When the Democratic Party lays down rules, they should NEVER be enforced. |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Don't worry. Obama now wants all of the committed super delegates. |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. How is that changing any rules? The superdelegates aren't committed. N/T |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
53. I should've added the previous paragraph from Greg Sargent on committed super delegates. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. He's not wrong, but he's using the word "committed" in a different sense |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Actually, they have already officially announced their support. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. He's not changing any rules! Unbelievable. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. There is no such thing as a COMMITTED superdelegate... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. Sorry, but you just don't know Displaced Texan. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
62. Are superdelegates "pledged" per se, or do they make their own choices? |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. no....only a slimy, cheating fuck would do such a thing |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is silly, just seat them via non-rule breaking DNC processes and be done with it. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. it is not that simple...there will be a blood bath over delegates in Fla..count on it! eom |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. Only if we get to have a proper election with all candidates on the ballot in both states |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I don't care what you think, FL and MI broke the rules, but their delegates will be seated. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
39. and Obama and Hillary broke the rules..so i say Edwards being a |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. What rule did Clinton break? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Michigan is a more complicated picture |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. No. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. FL and MI don't go toward the nomination! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
54. I think its clear that if you don't follow the rules |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. Making the votes count after the fact sounds fishy. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. I don't know, seems worse to try and ignore them completely |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Good point. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Did anyone tell the OTHER CANDIDATES this?? Or is Hill the only one who knew? Or did she just |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Maybe she just took a chance. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. WTF?? Unbelievable. You know EXACTLY what went on and you know damned well this is bullshit cheating |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. Bush looks like a choir boy compared to this bullshit theft |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. That's the most convoluted reasoning ever.... |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I was responding to the OP, |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
19. just try and as a declared Delegate for Edwards, i will sue the DNC's ass off!! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Who said Edwards |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. no they were not allowed to campaign which disenfranchises the entire state.. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. The turnout was massive. I don't believe that Edwards supporters |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Florida had a huge turnout.... people voted anyways here. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. and thus it starts |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Exactly. And I'm just about finished here if this is what DU is turning into.. people supporting |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. i hate to tell you this..but obama has cheated just as much if not more! eom |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Link? Proof? Anything? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. dupe |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. Please debate the OP with a counter argument. |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. LOL.. who are you? My mother or the board monitor? I wasn't responding to the OP.. the OP which |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. This is right out of the Rove playbook... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. LOL !!! - Will Say And Do Anything... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. Please remember FL's Repub controlled senate and house decided to hold primaries early. By denying |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. DNC offered to pay Florida to hold a caucus later... they declined.... |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. yes the DNC offered $800,000.00 for Fla to hold a caucus..our FDP didn't hardly respond. eom |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. ahhh excuse me but DLC state dem legislators voted for this bullshit as well.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
94. That is not true. The Dems voted with them 115 to 1...they were all for it. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
30. not gonna happen, Jim |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. No, they should have a new primary. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
38. That's not fair. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. it can not be done now..without lawsuits up the asses..Edwards was on the Fla ballot |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
88. There was no requirement they remove their names. In fact, it benefited the others TO remove theirs |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
91. It was an unneccesary step. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
40. this is Hillary's last stand, eh? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. Why have any rules at all? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
66. The problem is the Michigan ballots--not to mention, many people stayed home |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
68. Nope |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. I think Dean sees it more my way |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Credentials Committee mentioned by Howard Dean |
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arewenotdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
70. Bullshit. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
73. Oops, little typo error. I think you meant "The FL & Mich. delegates should NOT count" |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
74. No - either throw out the delegate's votes - or re-do both primaries |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. But I have made a unique case here that after |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
79. I thought you were joking. But you are not, are you? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. absolutely. nt |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
83. no because the elections were not fair |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
87. If she succeeds in stealing those delegates, it will be all out war |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Who said anything about stealing? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. What a load of illogical crapola. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Thats not a counter argument. nt |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
90. Well, Jim, you had to say it. I'm all for it but you've incurred the wrath of all manner of Obamite |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Sometimes I just can't bite my tongue when I think I have |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-06-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
96. kick |
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